Ep.064 The Burden of Proof (Part 3): Free Will, Nazi Scientists, LSD & MKUltra. Robocop, Neuralink and Elon Musk’s Satanic Choices! Plus bonus chat at the end: Spirituality w/ Mark Zaretti

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Ep.064 The Burden of Proof (Part 3): Free Will, Nazi Scientists, LSD & MKUltra. Robocop, Neuralink and Elon Musk's Satanic Choices! Plus bonus chat at the end: Spirituality w/ Mark Zaretti
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Episode synopsis TL;DR:

Part 3 of “The Burden of Proof” exploring everyday evidence for the existence of spirituality, non-physical stuff, and perhaps even God (non-religious)! The big topic is “Free Will” and I reveal some interesting statistics and discussion drawing on medical, psychological, MKUltra, and cutting edge technology from Elon Musk, which all points to the existence of that special “free will” quality which is unique to humanity. Also I explain WHY free will is so important, from a spiritual perspective. Plus there’s a bonus chat about guidance for spiritual choices at the end.

Episode transcript:

PODCAST INTRO:

[00:00:01] Hello, this is Mark from The Way Back Group and this is episode 64 which was recorded on the 19th of June 2025. And this follows on from the last two previous episodes. But don’t worry if you haven’t listened to them yet, then this one stands on its own two feet. But it’s always good idea. So I definitely Recommend Listening to 62 and 63 as well. Now, main topic for today is free will, but we do dive off into some kind of other stuff. As always relevant, always about spirituality, but very much bringing it down to everyday life. And that’s what this third part is about, is about the conversation of does spirituality exist? And if so, is there any proof in everyday life?

[00:00:47] So I invite you to join me and enjoy this particular episode.

[00:00:55] Oh, and towards the very end I’m going to be adding a little bit of bonus content. Nothing major this time, but when I was reviewing this podcast, it kind of inspired me to think about how we could answer a particular question and that question would be okay, so spirituality is good and in particular we’re talking about films and cinema and stuff like that.

[00:01:17] How do you go about knowing if what you’re planning or wanting to do or wanting to watch is a good idea from a spiritual perspective or not? I and that also translates not just to deciding whether to go to the cinema or watch a film, but it could be anything. It could be a particular environment you’re going into or even just how you’re driving a car. All will be revealed. But I’ll talk about that at the very end as a kind of bonus section. But as I said for now let’s enjoy episode 64 and thank you for joining me.

THE LIVE SHOW:

[00:01:55] Good evening, I am Mark and I’m your host for discussing spirituality. And this is the live Show now it’s 19 June 2025 and this is actually, well, it turns out this is part three of.

[00:02:11] Well, it wasn’t planned, but we’re now seem to be doing a series on the burden of proof which basically simmers down to how can we as spiritual people engage with and talk to people who aren’t spiritual or are quite dismissive of spiritual.

[00:02:28] The idea being that whenever we are bringing up the subject, the onus is on us to prove it because we’re bringing up something that is not everyday and is intangible and therefore falls outside of the awareness of everyday normal people.

[00:02:43] But as I’ve kind of alluded to, maybe the burden of proof isn’t ours. Maybe it’s the burden of disproof but the goal is to say, well, look, is there actually evidence in everyday life that points to the spiritual that people, once it’s pointed out, maybe can start to question, maybe find it harder to kind of deny that maybe there is more to life than just the mundane and the everyday. So that’s what we’re doing today.

[00:03:12] And let me just bring up the slideshow, actually.

[00:03:15] So we’ll be doing, as it says here, parts for part three, which the main topic of part three we’re going to be looking at is free will. And that does involve, in some strange way, Elon Musk. So this artwork that we’ve got here shows Elon Musk in his Halloween costume, which has this kind of satanic head of Baphomet on it. And then we’ve got his neural link device and a human brain. So that’s a bit of a clue of some of the stuff we might be looking at today. But we’re going to kick off with obviously, part three Proof. We’re also going to be doing some book reading and at the end there’s going to be Q and A. So as ever, if you’ve got questions that come up that you want, kind of rapid fire questions, then just put question mark, question mark, question mark in the chat and then your question and I’ll do my best at the end of the show to answer all your questions and anything else that comes up. And also just anytime in the chat, if you want me to clarify anything or go into more detail, just, just fire away. I’ve kind of got the chat just over there, so I can see things as they pop up. But we are going to dive straight back into where we left off last week. And it’s good, always good, to just do a quick kind of refresher.

[00:04:33] So this is based on to kind of talk about spirituality in everyday life, using everyday things to explain it. Then a good starting point is what are the actual propositions that we are making about what spirituality means? And so one of them was you are more than a physical body and brain. And we’ve tackled that one already, episode 62. And we also tackled your thoughts affect you and your environment, and there are unseen dimensions. So all of that was covered in episode 62. And look, if you’re new to the, new to this show, and you’re thinking, well, where’s episode 62? Don’t worry, I’ll be putting links to everything in the description of the podcast shortly after this show is done. But and then last week, episode 63, we covered there is good and bad. And that actually was quite a big topic. All of these could be write an entire book on each one. But the goal isn’t to be absolutely definitive and thorough. The goal is really just to address things in a way that anyone could. So today’s topic is you have free will. That’s the spiritual proposition that we’re going to be looking at today.

[00:05:47] And I thought last week’s was difficult.

[00:05:49] This one is even more interesting.

[00:05:53] Coming up in the next show or two will be the purpose of life is to grow. Death is not the end. And there is something greater than you. But today we’re dealing with you have free will. And the approach, as ever, is we’re going to use the evidence that anyone can get. So what happens if you do a search online, that kind of stuff. And we’re going to avoid referencing systems of belief, religions, etc. We don’t want to frame things in a way that relies on people having to believe a particular thing or having a pre, you know, an a priori knowledge of a particular esoteric thing so they don’t have to have read Madame Blavatsky or the Secret teachings of all ages or something like that to understand what we’re going to be discussing.

[00:06:36] So let’s start with you have free will. A good place to begin would be to say, well, how do we define free will? What does that actually look like? It’s one of those things, I think we all have a, you know, a concept of until someone says what do you mean? And then actually we’ve got to put it into words.

[00:06:56] But I thought a good starting place would be if I can find the right button. Where’s it gone? There we go. Let’s look at what this, this is my old Trusty Dictionary from 1981, I believe. So let’s have a look at the word free will. And the first thing that came up was that the word free will isn’t in this dictionary, but the word free is.

[00:07:15] And the word will. Let me just see. So free, not a slave, not in the power of another.

[00:07:24] Having freedom, not fixed, able to move without, not subject to costing nothing to the recipient. So the real one is able to move and also not under the power of another. In other words, autonomous or self powered, disentangled. So if we keep those in our head and then we look at the word will, mental faculty by which a person decides upon and controls his own or others actions. So that was right down there at the bottom. So I’ll just read that again. It’s the mental faculty by which a person, I. E. You decide upon and controls your own or others actions.

[00:08:09] I would say more in this context. It’s about our own free will.

[00:08:16] So we’re not concerned with the actions of others. We’re referring to ourselves. So how? So it’s a mental faculty to control our own actions. And that literally means we choose what we want to think, believe, say and do. So if you have free will, then you can choose what you want to think, believe, say and do.

[00:08:35] Now we can probably think of regimes where the regime, for example, Communism, says that certain things you’re not allowed to think, act, believe and say and do, but they don’t take away free will. They simply punish you if you exercise your free will. So it’s worth noting that it doesn’t mean what will the environment allow you to do. It means what is it that you of your own autonomy can do. That’s what free will is. So this means you can choose to believe in something or not. God versus an atheist is an example of that.

[00:09:11] And again, that means even if the regime or the political wind point blows a certain way, it doesn’t mean that you don’t have a choice. It just might mean that your choice is harder. Okay, so all choices require some knowledge.

[00:09:27] You can only choose between what you are aware of. So in other words, if the choice is do you believe in God or not? You have to have some concept of God. Now, we’re not talking religion here, by the way. You know, I’ve dropped the G word. I’m talking about that which is one thing everywhere, that which is before time, intangible, that is the source beyond creation, the kind of cause of spirituality, if you like.

[00:09:54] And what I’ve done is I’ve just dropped a whole load of words. So that’s a good example of your free will is do you agree or disagree? Do you agree to that, what I just said, or do you disagree with it? And that’s entirely your free will. And I totally respect that because what I’m saying here is that you have free will is one of the components of spirituality.

[00:10:15] So going back to the list of things that free will is, or a demonstration of free will, in order to have free will, there has to be some knowledge of what you are selecting for.

[00:10:26] So you could say therefore, that anything that restricts knowledge is also hampering free will.

[00:10:31] And there are micro and macro demonstrations of free will. So again, taking the big examples would be if you choose a particular belief or faith or ideology that is Something that you. You don’t just choose for breakfast, or you don’t just choose for today.

[00:10:51] It’s a thing that perhaps you’re going to adorn your life with for the rest of your life, unless you choose to change.

[00:10:59] So there’s the big ones, the macro demonstrations of free will, like the things that really we build our identity around. And then there are micro ones. Now, what I mean by that is many, many times throughout the day, even right now, you’re demonstrating your free will. But it may seem like small, trivial things, but nevertheless, you’ve been presented with a choice and you’ve made a choice. And you were free to do so because you had free will. So just understand that when we’re talking about free will, there’s the big stuff and the little stuff, but it’s all free will.

[00:11:32] Now, here’s something interesting. When you start to look into free will, then the field of psychology will differentiate between unconscious and conscious choices. And what they basically alluding to or talking about is that there’s evidence that certain actions happen because your biology demands it. So in other words, some environmental trigger caused something in your body which made you react. And it wasn’t really a conscious choice.

[00:12:01] And so that’s kind of the unconscious choices being played out, whereas the conscious choices are what we’re referring to here as free will. So, you know, what we can say is that free will is when you make a conscious choice because as it says up here, you had some knowledge, and therefore you could make an informed choice. Left or right, up or down, yes or no. Okay, so that’s what we’re kind of talking about with respect to free will. And we may need to come back to this at certain points. But just remember that it’s conscious choice and that it requires some kind of knowledge of what the choices are.

[00:12:38] And there’s small choices, big choices, but it’s all free will. Okay, that’s kind of summarizing. All the other thing I’d say actually is if you, if you simmer it down in the first point, I said you can choose what you want to think, believe, say, and do, but ultimately it all starts with what you want to think.

[00:12:54] So thought is actually the arena where free will is played out.

[00:12:59] The actions and what you say kind of cascade down from that. There’s always a thought first. Okay, so if we jump back here, so let’s look at the evidence that anyone can observe that shows and demonstrates that we have free will. And remember, this is a spiritual discussion. So we kind of keep that Hat on.

[00:13:24] But we are looking at everyday evidence that suggests that free will exists.

[00:13:30] So the first bit of evidence is actually that people lie. Okay. So a 2002 study by a psychologist called Rupert Feldman from the University of Massachusetts showed that 60% of people lied two to three times in a 10 minute conversation. So if they talked for half an hour, they probably said, I don’t know, eight or nine lies.

[00:13:50] Okay, about 60% of people, that is.

[00:13:55] So it’s quite common.

[00:13:57] And that’s an average. So some people probably lied a lot more, some people lied a lot less. But the point is that the phenomena of lying means that someone can say something that isn’t congruent with truth.

[00:14:14] So what am I getting at here? Right. Well, let’s look at kind of what happens when we lie. What’s been scientifically observed. So they put people into functional electron micro.

[00:14:28] Was it. No, I think it doesn’t really matter. They’ve scanned people’s brains, okay.

[00:14:34] And they’ve got them to lie and they’ve seen what, what’s going on when they’re lying. And what they find is that there’s a heightened activity in the prefrontal cortex when someone is lying. And that is indicative of the fact that it requires more mental activity to lie than it does to tell the truth. In fact, when people are talking honestly, quite often they’re in a much more relaxed state. But we’ll get to that.

[00:14:57] So if that sounds, if that part of the brain sounds familiar, the prefrontal cortex in the previous episode, where we’re talking about good and bad in people who have antisocial personality disorder, then they were found at adult stage to have approximately 11% less prefrontal cortex. Literally their brain is smaller there.

[00:15:22] Does this mean they’re less capable of lying? Maybe not. Maybe they’re just.

[00:15:26] Well, I’m not going to hypothesize, but it’s just interesting that it’s the same part of the brain that is used to make stuff up.

[00:15:35] And maybe they have the antisocial personality disorder because they want to. So just side tangent. But one of the social.

[00:15:43] One of the hypotheses for why lion exists is because it can help reduce social tension. So little white lies so that you avoid conflict or that you don’t upset someone’s feelings, or that you don’t get in trouble for something you should have done, but you are actually going to go and do in a minute, these kinds of things. So the theory is, one of the theories is that lies exist to, as a kind of a lubricant for social interactions. Small lies. But lying does create, demand more from you in terms of more hard work. Okay, so while you’re lying, your brain is more stressed. And if the stakes are higher, like if you’re just lying about, I don’t know, did you wash your hands? You know, then the stakes aren’t very high.

[00:16:33] But if you were supposed to send an email that’s going to, you know, potentially be like for a million pound contract or something and you didn’t send it on time and your boss is asking you and you’re lying through your teeth. Oh no, I definitely sent it. It must have got, must have been a GL in the IT systems or something like that. Now you know and you’re telling a big lie and you’re making up a big story.

[00:16:55] The stakes are higher, could cost you your job, could cost millions of pounds and therefore there’s more stress. So the bigger the perceived stake of the lie, the more stress you experience or the liar experiences. Not going to assume that you lie. You’re here with me today. So let’s assume that, you know, we’re all with good company here, but we’re talking about generally lying. Okay?

[00:17:17] So the next thing is the amygdala is triggered. Now again, I’ve talked about the.

[00:17:23] Pardon me, I’ve talked about the amygdala before and this was in the episode where we talked about spirituality and why it’s not a good idea necessarily to swear and how people that swear are actually using the amygdala. Now the amygdala is a part of the brain very deep down. It’s not the outer cortex and it’s all to do with fear and anxiety.

[00:17:48] So when you are lying or when a person is lying, then they are activating the fear center of their brain, which is interesting. Okay, but if they get away with it, then they, then they get a dopamine hit, which is the kind of feel good drug that your body, the hormone that your body releases to make you feel good. So you get a dopamine rush. When you achieve something in sport or in a, in games or you win a game or anything where there’s a bit of jeopardy and you win and you come out on top, then you get a dopamine hit.

[00:18:25] And so people can actually feel good from lying even though there’s stress, even though there’s fear and anxiety. The result if you get away with it is that you might actually start to release hormones. Basically get drugs. It’s like a high. Okay?

[00:18:45] So if you get caught out, or if you think you’re about to be caught out, like someone’s on to you, then it actually elicits the adrenaline, the adrenal system, and you get a flight or fight, fight or flight response. And this is why some people, the thought of lying makes them want to be sick because their adrenals are kicking in.

[00:19:07] They worry, for starters, they’re getting fear and anxiety, and that can tie your stomach in knots. But then if they think they’re going to get caught out, then they’re getting ready for a fight or to run. And one of the classic things that happens to. I mean, you see it with animals. If they get scared, they’ll run and then they’ll throw up, you know, because it’s part of the flight response is to kind of eject as much as possible from the body.

[00:19:33] So, you know, you can’t fight biology at the end of the day. So that’s quite interesting, I think. But there’s, you know, we are spiritual in this show, so what would happen? Let’s. Well, not what would happen. We’re going to do this now. We’re going to go through those points, which is the kind of scientific stuff that goes on when people lie. And now we’re going to have a look at this from a more spiritual point of view. Okay?

[00:19:58] So heightened activity in the prefrontal cortex requires them. Indicating it requires more mental activity to lie. Why? Because you are creating an illusion.

[00:20:09] So in order to lie, you need to fabricate a deception, an alternative reality. Okay? Because you know the truth, but you’re lying. So now you have to contend with the reality that you know is true and an alternative reality that you’re creating for the sake of lying. Is it any wonder that the frontal prefrontal cortex lights up?

[00:20:32] The next thing is the brain is more stressed.

[00:20:34] You know, in the higher the states, the more the stress. Stress is disorder, ease. And you’ve heard me talk about this dis. Ease.

[00:20:43] It’s when we are not being good, when we are being incongruent with what it is to be a good spiritual human being, then we manifest, or we can manifest a lack of ease in our body. And stress is dis. Ease. It’s the punishment we put on ourselves.

[00:21:02] Okay, And. And the amygdala is triggered brackets, fear and anxiety.

[00:21:08] We’ve talked about this a lot, but just to remind us that fear and anxiety come from ego. If you. If you don’t. If you haven’t heard me talk about that before, don’t Worry.

[00:21:17] The very, very short version is that in order to be scared, you have to be sitting in your lower self. By that I mean you have to be really identified with the physical body.

[00:21:29] Because spiritually speaking, we are more than our physical body. And this life is but one of many.

[00:21:34] So the worst thing that can possibly happen from a spiritual point of view is this life comes to an end prematurely. And that’s okay. We’ve learned stuff, we’ll come back, we’ll have another life.

[00:21:45] But from this life’s point of view, from this little physical body and brain’s point of view, that’s the end of everything. So if we’re identified with just the brain and the body, then we’re in ego. And that always engenders fear, anxiety, worry, and all the negative stuff.

[00:22:01] And so when the amygdala is triggered and we are in the center of fear and anxiety, then we are also very much in the smaller identity that we have. The bigger identity is the spiritual one. Okay, so again, lying is tied to ego and the dopamine hit if they. If you get away with a lie or if someone gets away with that whole lie, that’s feelings.

[00:22:25] And feelings motivate. Again, it’s like there’s different things that it means to be human. So the higher you are, the higher your vibration, the less you are swayed by feelings.

[00:22:38] Someone that is driven by their feelings, in other words, they want to feel good.

[00:22:43] They’re the kind of person that doesn’t like ouchy words.

[00:22:47] They’re the kind of person that will feel like a victim if someone doesn’t agree with them or someone says something that is upsetting them because it doesn’t make them feel good.

[00:22:57] Okay, but that doesn’t mean that the other person is bad.

[00:23:02] It’s just that the person who is led purely by feelings can’t cope with anything that is a challenge.

[00:23:10] And so it’s a much.

[00:23:15] So if you’re very led by your feelings and the goal would be to become. In order to become more spiritual, you don’t need to do anything. Sorry, don’t like to use that word. But the opportunity is there to become more neutral and learn how to be more detached and learn how to be more accepting. And then you’re not swayed so much by how you feel, but you start to be more present in what’s actually going on. And so the dopamine hit is literally the biological precursor to base good feelings, which means animalistic.

[00:23:49] So lying and feeling good about it is a very animal response. It’s not A very human response. Okay.

[00:23:58] And the flight or fight or fight or flight response shows us that a person who is lying sees the people they’re lying to as hostile.

[00:24:12] In other words, it’s an act of war, it’s an act of aggression, it’s an act of negativity, it’s an act of disrespect.

[00:24:19] And so lying means you are engaged in illusion, self creating, self dis ease, a lack of ease in self engaging in ego, driven by feelings. And your approach is combatant and hostile. Okay, so, but people do lie. And this is what this psychotic, this psychologist was saying is that it’s actually quite common. Now what this, this thing I’ve listed about all the bad stuff is very much the more you do, the more you get the bad stuff. So, you know, there’s lots of articles I’m going to share links to all of this stuff, but there’s, this is a long article from Mind Lab Neuroscience about lying.

[00:25:04] And this is a psychology paper about what lying does to your body. And pretty much I’ve covered it in the slides, but what I’m showing you there is that there are lots of articles that anyone can get access to. Remember that is the goal is sharing evidence that anyone can get access to to show that we have free will. So the fact that people lie mean that they can ignore reality and concoct an illusion, a false reality to gain something.

[00:25:33] In other words, they can, they can break free from the constraints of truth through free will.

[00:25:40] So the fact that people can lie means that they don’t have to respect the boundaries of reality.

[00:25:46] They can work in the boundary within the realm of illusion and they can make their own reality. So that’s very strong demonstration of free will.

[00:25:55] So that’s evidence number one.

[00:25:58] Evidence number two, just the broad question, if free will exists, then are scientists interested in it?

[00:26:07] Remember, the goal here is to engage with people at a everyday level. So someone’s going, oh, there’s nothing. We’re not spiritual, we don’t have free will. It’s all just fate and chemicals and hormones. Okay, so if that was true, then there’d be no such thing as free will. So are scientists interested in free will?

[00:26:27] Well, this graph is from the nih, National Institute of Health. This is the American government website, National Library of Medicine. It’s got lots of different names.

[00:26:38] The NCBI is another one. That’s how I knew it. PubMed.

[00:26:42] Okay, so this is where you can get all the abstracts of all public articles going back to the 1890s or something. Like that.

[00:26:51] And if you just search for the phrase free will, then that gives you an idea, kind of a barometer of how much interest there is. Now, from 1896 was the first paper referencing it through to 1973, there were about one to two articles referencing it per year. Some years none.

[00:27:14] But from 1973 onwards, as you can see, it has rapidly increased to the present day. And we’re only halfway through this year, and it’s, it’s already, already looking like it’s going to carry on. And to highlight the. What you might probably can’t read there, it says when you search for the word free will in this PubMed thing, so all the public papers published by scientists, Then there are 95,589 papers or articles referencing free will. So science certainly believes that we have free will because 95,589 papers since 1896 and rapidly increasing since 1973 attest to the fact that it is a hot topic. It’s certainly become one in the last 50 years.

[00:28:13] So, yep, science is interested in free will. So that in itself is evidence that we have free will, because science wouldn’t be studying it if we didn’t have it. Okay, so evidence number three.

[00:28:28] Scientific advances in BCIs raise ethical concerns. So what are BCIs? Let me show you what BCIs are. So this guy here is the first guy ever to be fitted with Elon Musk’s neural link, which is basically a brain computer interface. Now, not the first guy ever. I think there was a guy about nine years before that in the mainstream that had one. So you can just see in this photo here. Let me grab my pointer. There’s a little lump sticking up in his head. It’s about the size of a large coin.

[00:29:04] And this guy is quadripledic. So his story is he dived into a lake or something with his friends, and he doesn’t know if he hit the bottom where he hit someone else, but he just floated to the top and he lost control. He couldn’t move his arms or his legs. He’s completely wheelchair bound.

[00:29:21] And he was selected to be the first person to get it. And with this thing, he can now move a mouse pointer around and engage with a MacBook just by thinking. So he’s calibrated his thoughts to the chip. And the chip can then control an auxiliary device like a laptop. And basically he had to go through this training algorithm where he had to imagine moving his fingers, each finger in turn, 10 times. Imagine wiggling your left toes, your right toes, lifting Your left leg. Now, he couldn’t move any of his body, but the point was, just thinking about it triggered something in his brain, and then the computer chip in his brain could read that, and it knew what he was trying to do. So it could now go right. Every time he has that brainwave pattern or these neurons fire, it means that he’s trying to move his left finger. And so now he can control a mouse, which is pretty epic for him. And, you know, this was always going to be sold. This technology was always going to be sold in the first instance on how it can help people.

[00:30:26] If they came out on day one and said, we’re going to use this technology to interface super soldiers with artificial intelligence so that they can get information about targets, you know, hidden using thermal imagery or something like this, people wouldn’t be behind it. But if they say, we’re going to help people who are quadriplegic to live a good quality of life, then people get behind it and it gets rushed through and FDA approval and this and that.

[00:30:54] So, anyway, nice story for this guy, but the point is he’s got a brain implant, which was the.

[00:31:03] That picture that I showed you earlier of Elon Musk, the. The opening artwork, that was the device kind of broken down. So it’s sitting in his skull, and it’s got. Think of it like a plant with roots. And the roots, each tip of every root, all these little roots are touching different nerve endings in his brain.

[00:31:30] And when he has thoughts about movement, different things happen in his brain. And some of those nerve fibers get fired off, and that gets detected by these routes to this device, and that gets translated into a signal and sent back to a computer and decoded. Okay. It’s pretty amazing stuff, really.

[00:31:50] But the point is, on the issue of free will. So going back to what we were trying to prove, scientific advances in brain computer interfaces raise ethical concerns. Now, this is quite a long paper, so again, links will be provided. But it’s this paper on the functional differentiation of brain computer interfaces and its ethical implications. And there’s this table, and I’ll give you the kind of headlines, save you having to read it all.

[00:32:21] There’s two types of bci. And this. This article is saying, look, we’ve been treating it all as the same thing, but there’s actually two types. You’ve got write in BCIS and read out bcis. Right. In BCIS means that the device itself can put data information into a person’s nervous system.

[00:32:42] Read out BCIS means it can take information out of the person’s nervous system.

[00:32:50] Now, that guy that I just showed you in a wheelchair, he’s using read out. In other words, it’s reading the output of his brain and then talking to external devices like a lab, a laptop, or a phone.

[00:33:04] The goal of Neural Link is what Elon Musk says is to give humans a chance to compete with AI. And the only way that what that means is you would have this implant, you’d have a thought like, like the same kind of thing. You might go to Google and search, but you have the thought and then the computer gets the information and pumps it straight back into your brain in real time. So you get the answer to your thought in your own voice, indistinguishable from your own thoughts. So in other words, the, the that would be writing in, you’d be right. The readout would be what’s your question? And the answer would come back and be written back into your brain.

[00:33:49] And that way you are basically hooked to the Internet. And at the level of thought, you can get information, but equally you could be hooked to an AI, you could be hooked to a computer, you could be hooked to a bad actor. And this is why they’re saying like this, there’s ethical concerns.

[00:34:06] What I wanted to draw your attention to is these two.

[00:34:09] So you can see down here that one of the concerns they’ve got is on autonomy and agency, basically your free will and also informed consent. Because remember, one of the tenets of free will is that you get to choose.

[00:34:24] Okay? And what this is saying Is write in. BCIs could have a large, a large degree of impact on your autonomy and agency, and they both, read in and out, could have an impact on your informed consent because you don’t know what the data that you’re giving to it, the, the readout data is being used for. And so there’s also things to do, privacy, identity. So identity theft is a big risk as well. But what they are saying is these brain computer interfaces raise ethical concerns about your free will.

[00:35:05] Now, I don’t know if you are familiar with the concept of predictive programming, okay, jumping around a bit here, but there is.

[00:35:17] So predictive programming is the idea that what’s going to happen is shown to us in Hollywood films so that we accept it at some kind of level. So when it actually happens, we’re already familiar with it. We’ve already given our own kind of unconscious consent because we saw it in a film and we accepted it. So I’m going to show you a clip from the remake of Robocop, this is the 2014 film and I’m not going to play the audio because last time I played audio in a film, Spotify tried to give me a copyright strike, even though it says there that fair use notice, this show may make use of copyrighted material for educational purposes, etc. I’m going to just play a bit of this and tell you what’s happening. So Robocop, a police officer has been badly injured and there’s not much of him that survived, but they built him into a robot and he’s a future of law defense. And what we’re looking at here is this is a training mission, but if he fails this mission, they’re going to decommission him. If he passes, then he gets to act. So he’s fighting one just himself against lots of, of these other robots. But he’s a human robot and as you can see, he’s really efficient. Now he’s being watched by the doctor, the built that built him and a psychologist and the billionaire, the Elon Musk character. And there’s going to be an interesting conversation right now because he’s being super efficient and they, they’re going to have this conversation.

[00:36:48] Dr. Norton, how is he doing this? His software is faster, his hardware is stronger, he’s a better machine. But you said humans hesitate only when they’re making decisions, right? So basically, so she says, but you said humans hesitate because last time they tested him he was quite slow.

[00:37:05] And the doctor says they only hesitate when they’re making decisions. Now that’s key. Making decisions, free will. If you’re not making decisions, there’s no free will.

[00:37:16] So she twigs something here.

[00:37:20] She said, but you’re saying he’s not making decisions.

[00:37:24] And the doc says yes and no. In his everyday life, the man rules the machine. In other words, he makes the choices. But the moment the visor comes down and he’s going to show the, then the computer, the machine takes over and makes all of the decisions. So when he’s engaged in battle, the visor comes down and the software takes over and the machine does everything. Alex, that’s Robocop, is a passenger just along for the ride.

[00:37:54] So then the woman is saying, well look, if the machine’s in control, then how is Murphy, this police officer accountable?

[00:38:02] Who’s pulling the trigger? So the doctors then answering and saying, look, when the machine finds the system releases signals into Alex’s brain making him think he’s doing what our computers are actually doing.

[00:38:14] And then he says, look, Alex believes right now he’s in control, but he’s not. It’s the illusion of free will.

[00:38:22] Okay, so this is what I’m getting at.

[00:38:26] Take this film as a projection of what might happen in the future.

[00:38:32] So they’ve put this guy’s brain and parts of his body into a robot. And then they’ve got a really powerful neural link, you know, connected to his brain. And when he goes into police mode and the visor comes down and he gets his gun out, the, the computer, the AI is controlling everything, his muscle movements, the robot shell he’s in, and it’s giving him the thoughts that he thinks he’s in control.

[00:39:04] So he thinks he’s pulling the trigger, he thinks he’s running around, he thinks he spotted that enemy over there and saw them and pulled the trigger. But the computer is doing it all. He can’t tell the difference.

[00:39:16] So it’s an illusion of free will at that point because the input into him, the write in from the brain computer interface, is making him think it’s all his own thoughts.

[00:39:30] And that’s kind of the point I wanted to make there, was that this could just be an entertaining film. But you could also say, are they trying to tell us that the future.

[00:39:42] We’ll pause that now.

[00:39:44] That was the point I wanted to make. And it’s just a, just a film, but it raises the scenario and then they have this discussion about what is it illegal? Because if it’s a machine making the decisions, then it’s not free will. And therefore, because there’s this whole legality of whether a cop can shoot someone, they can, if it’s free will.

[00:40:09] And they get around it by saying the machine believes it’s Alex Murphy, therefore the machine believes it’s a human, therefore it has free will. And it’s a load of nonsense. But, but basically worth considering because even now scientists are very concerned about autonomy and agency, which is another way of saying free will. Let’s bring this right back. Why am I bringing this up? Because the spiritual principle is that we have free will. And science is validating that by their concerns that brain computer implants could actually infringe on our free will. Okay? That’s the point. So if someone says, well, we don’t have free will, this is another bit of evidence that we can point at to say that we do. And I’ve just put on the screen the reference to that particular paper. But all the links will be in the write up notes.

[00:40:58] Evidence 4. Okay, so this is, this is one for all the conspiracy theory people, except it’s not a conspiracy. Are you all aware that the phrase conspiracy theory was created by the CIA to discredit people who were questioning the JFK assassination narrative of the lone gunman. And so to ridicule them and to ostracize them from their friends, the CIA created the phrase conspiracy theorist so that they could then malign and slander them. So really, I think if you look, if you look to all the conspiracy theories and you looked at the long term, most of them get proven to be true. In other words, conspiracy theorists actually means that you’re probably onto the truth and the government doesn’t like it or an agency doesn’t like it and they’re trying to discredit you.

[00:41:49] So I don’t see it as a derogatory to say a conspiracy theorist. I see it as you are a truth seeker. Good on you. Credit to you. Power to you. So, evidence four. Have you heard of MK Ultra?

[00:42:02] Right? A little bit of history.

[00:42:05] 1940s Nazis, they had a concentration camp at Dachau, or Dachau, however that’s pronounced. And there was a scientist there called Kurt Plotner, and he was experimenting on the prisoners in the concentration camp using a cocktail of drugs to, in his words, eliminate the will of the person examined.

[00:42:29] And what they were trying to do was find the cocktail of drugs that would break someone so that when you ask them questions, they’ll just tell you everything. They’ll sing like a bird. It’s kind of truth serum stuff so that people become robots. So you can then ask them, all right, where are all your friends hidden? Where? Where? Who else is in this group, this resistance group, that kind of thing.

[00:42:49] And so obviously the Nazis lost the war.

[00:42:54] But don’t worry, because Operation Paperclip, the American government took all these psychopaths and deranged scientists and brought them to America and carried on the work. So in 1951, the CIA started Project Bluebird, which then got renamed Project Artichoke by 1953, when it got superseded by MKUltra. But Project Bluebird, Project Artichoke, was all about mind control to make a person into a sleeper assassin. So they had got the scientists from the Nazi. The Nazi scientists brought them to America, carried on their work, and were now doing illegal experiments on real people to try and create a sleeper assassin. In other words, turn a sweet old lady or school teacher or whoever into an assassin so that when they triggered them, then they would just carry out their mission and probably have no memory of it whatsoever.

[00:43:56] So that was 1950s, CIA.

[00:43:59] They also involved the FBI, the all four divisions of the military, you know, and then that got replaced in 1953, 3 to 1973 by MK Ultra, which was the main program now that eventually got disclosed. I think it was a Castle report.

[00:44:17] And someone high up gave the order to destroy all the paperwork. And most of the paperwork for MKUltra was destroyed. But luckily some of it had been misfiled on the financial papers or something. And so it was found many Years later, about 20,000 pages were found and released in a Senate Senate committee hearing, I believe. And so that’s why there’s some information out here about MK Ultra, but it’s a real thing. So again, not made up. Here’s MK Ultra, you can go to Wikipedia and here’s a picture of one of the pages that has been declassified.

[00:44:53] There’s lots of documents.

[00:44:55] So Project MK Ultra sub. Project 8. Sub. Project 8 is being set up as a means to continue the present work in the general field of lsd. Oh yeah, they. I’ll get onto it. But basically they used a lot of lsd.

[00:45:09] So as my slide shows here, so they used lsd, electroshocks, hypnosis, sensory deprivation, sexual abuse and torture. Now let’s just put this into perspective. There’s a rumor that they were going to buy 10 kilos of LSD. LSD was very new.

[00:45:27] They paid millions for the LSD to try and prevent anyone else getting hold of it. The electroshocks were sometimes 40 times the recommended safe level.

[00:45:37] The sensory deprivation could go on. There’s stories of people being abused for 77 days, 130 days. We’re not talking just a few hours here. They put them into induced comas and then play repetitive mind control messages to them for months while they’re in a coma. And these people didn’t volunteer. Okay, Sexual abuse as well and verbal abuse as well, but sexual abuse and torture.

[00:46:07] Now they were running their programs through universities and hospitals and cover organizations and there’s stories of people that went into like a psychiatric hospital because they had a bit of anxiety and they wanted a bit of help and they never consented. But next thing you know, they were induced in a coma, strapped to a bed for months on end and no one ever saw him again. And then when they came out, they were broken, really damaged people.

[00:46:35] And this.

[00:46:36] Some people died.

[00:46:38] And it wasn’t just people off the streets they would do. They were part of their regime was they were experimenting with LSD and they were throwing parties and corporate events and spiking people’s drinks with LSD to observe them. And they were. They were doing experiments to senators, wives and people high up.

[00:47:00] And it was, at the time, if you work for the CIA, it was not uncommon for people to just suddenly have psychotic episodes or LSD flashbacks because they were spiking their own staff randomly, you know, without consent. So this was. This is horrendous.

[00:47:19] And they were doing this too. So just to put it into context, the people who. Some of the psychotherapists that sat in on the Nuremberg trials and condemned the Nazis for experimenting on human beings were the very ones experimenting on the public, on soldiers, on patients, on members of the political parties. You know, so the hypocrisy was ridiculous. But the goals of MKUltra were to wipe people’s memories, create unwitting assassins.

[00:47:51] So in other words, break someone and then create two personalities within them, the everyday personality and the assassin, and then have triggers so you could just turn on the assassin and then turn it off again.

[00:48:02] They wanted to be able to interrogate people, some kind of like a truth serum. And they wanted to be able to force enemy targets, that is political people or people high up in military, to deflect to the usa. In other words, if they could find the right cocktail of drugs and the right way to embed suggestions into them, then they could meet someone at a public function, spike their drink, knock them out, put them in the back of a taxi, play stuff through headphones, and then when that person wakes up, they wouldn’t remember anything, but they’d go and defect to America. That was the goal.

[00:48:40] This is kind of early Cold War, but, you know, I’m not going to justify it at all. It was horrendous. But obviously Nazis did it, America did it, and America was doing it to their own people. I mean, it’s disgusting.

[00:48:54] And if you’re intelligent, then you won’t buy for one minute that it stopped in 1973, just as Project Bluebird became Project Artichoke and project Artichoke became MK Ultra. And then supposedly MK Ultra was finished in 1973. That doesn’t mean they would have stopped.

[00:49:13] I think they just refine things. Remember, the goal here is, is there proof that we have free will? Well, I would say absolutely, because look at how much the CIA have done to try and eliminate the will of a person.

[00:49:29] Because if people didn’t have free will, why would you need to break them? To create a truth serum, to force people to do something they don’t want to do.

[00:49:39] Yeah. This remind in the chat, this reminds me of the Movie Deception. So, oddly enough, I did actually, if you’re a movie buff. So here’s a created list that someone else has put together. Top MK Ultra Mind Control Movies in Series. Now, I mentioned predictive programming. So the concept here is that, and this is actually, I believe, an offshoot of MK Ultra is that I believe that Hollywood and the movie industry and the TV industry and everything.

[00:50:17] I mean, there is a lot of evidence that the CIA actually funds a lot of Hollywood anyway. But they use films and they’ve been doing it for a long time. And they use science fiction books going back 100 years or so to program the populace to accept certain narratives.

[00:50:33] And so it’s not surprising that there’s going to be films revealing even things like MK Ultra.

[00:50:40] So here’s a list. Wormwood, the X files, MK Ultra, which is 2022. Mind control, the Transformation of America, which I think is a lot more about what I’m talking about here. 2019, mind control, MKUltra files. 2017, mind control, HARP and the future of technology. I’ve talked about HARP in previous episodes.

[00:51:04] The secret of Nim N I M H, which looks like a cartoon about a mouse.

[00:51:10] Brazil, very good film. 1985.

[00:51:12] The film 1984.

[00:51:15] And then V for Vendetta, Conspiracy Theory, which I haven’t seen. I keep trying to see that one, but I’m waiting till it’s available.

[00:51:23] And the Parallax. Parallax View Now, I disagree. I disagreed with this list because there was three films. Absolutely.

[00:51:31] There’s three films that should have been on this list. And I did wonder, because. Let me just go to the chat, because Millie’s just corrected themselves there. So they.

[00:51:41] They’ve said. This reminds me of the movie Deception. I’m thinking Deception. I haven’t seen that one. And then they correct themselves. Sorry, the title is inception with Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah, I’ve heard of Inception.

[00:51:53] Well, here’s the films that I would say would be worth looking at if you’re kind of wanting to see what we’re talking about here. So you’ve got the Manchurian Candidate with Denzel Washington, Meryl Streep.

[00:52:10] And this is from 2000. When was it again? 2004, I believe. Yeah, 2004.

[00:52:15] In the midst of the Gulf War, soldiers are kidnapped and brainwashed for sinister purposes. Okay.

[00:52:21] That film is actually a remake of the Manchurian candidate from 1962.

[00:52:29] An American PLW in the Korean War is brainwashed as an unwitting assassin for an international communist conspiracy starring none other than Frank Sinatra. And it Actually looks quite good.

[00:52:40] I did like this poster. I don’t know if you can make this out on the left here, but it. This is a cinema poster and it says if you come in five minutes after this picture begins, you. You won’t know what it’s all about.

[00:52:53] I might start using that as the opener to my, to this live show. If you come in five minutes after we started, you won’t know what it’s about. But I’d love to know if any of you, if any of you have seen this 1962 version of the Manchurian Candidate. It gets Quite good reviews. 7.9 on IMDb. But the obvious other film that I thought was missing from the list is the Bourne Identity because this literally depicts a volunteer soldier being put through the MK Ultra process of drugs and torture and breaking them down psychologically until they become an asset that can be controlled.

[00:53:36] And this is very much, you know, a good example of MK Ultra. And also the Bourne Identity I think is a brilliant film. Personally, if you’re a film buff, feel free to agree or disagree with me.

[00:53:53] Of course we’re here not to talk about films, but to talk about spirituality.

[00:54:00] But hopefully what I’ve done is I’ve given us a number of things.

[00:54:05] CIA.

[00:54:06] So CIA secret programs that they’ve done on being better. I said American Ultra is a comedy movie if you want something light hearted. Yeah, absolutely. I’ll have to check that one out. Thanks for the suggestion.

[00:54:27] So, you know, we’ve got CIA programs, we’ve got a plethora of research articles, we’ve got ethics committees, we’ve got worrying about it, we’ve got predictive programming in films, talking about computers, removing our free will. We’ve got technology right now being implemented that potentially impacts on free will in, in the case of Elon Musk. And by the way, I’ll just share this. So I did kind of start digging a little bit more into Elon Musk and I remembered this. So I don’t know if you guys have seen this, but he went to a Heidi Klum film premiere for Halloween and he wears a satanic suit of armor.

[00:55:10] I think it cost about £5,000 for this leather suit. And on the chest plate or the breastplate of this gothic armor stuff is the head of Baphomet. And I’ve talked about Baphomet elsewhere, so I won’t go into it again. But it’s very satanic, very demonic.

[00:55:24] You don’t have to wear something like this. That was totally a choice.

[00:55:29] You’re a Billionaire.

[00:55:31] You realize that you’re going to be on the red carpet. You realize everyone’s going to take photos. You’ve given it some thought, and you want to represent Satan. Okay, here’s a picture of the iconography. It wasn’t just the breastplate. There was stuff on the sleeves and other icons and symbols. These guys know everything about symbology. Every move they make is carefully considered. It’s all, you know, they’re flaunting the truth for those who can see it. And the massive majority of people just go, hey, cool, cool costume. Oh, by the way, look at the back. On the back of it, you’ve got an inverted cross, which is the Antichrist symbol.

[00:56:11] So this is Elon Musk, by the way, and he’s the obviously the person behind Neural Link. You know, he’s portraying himself as a philanthropist and, you know, trying to help para, you know, quadriplegic people, which is great, but I wouldn’t buy it for one minute.

[00:56:31] I’m getting off track, off piste here, but, you know, I’m allowed.

[00:56:35] So we have free will. So what?

[00:56:38] What’s the point of free will? Well, remember, every choice moves you towards more good or more bad. And we talked about this in a previous show.

[00:56:47] So every choice.

[00:56:49] Right. The whole point of free will is that you can make a choice. And no matter how big or small the choice is, it will have an outcome. And the outcome will be, are you more good or are you more bad? It’s as simple as that. And so the end result of you as a person is have you made more good choices or have you made more bad choices? And you’re doing so exercising your free will.

[00:57:11] So more good means more demonstration of the qualities of God, the Source. Remember, not talking religion here. If you think about the highest concept of that which is one thing everywhere, that is a cause of all that is good, that is beyond time, beyond space, beyond measure.

[00:57:27] And think about the good qualities. So I’m not talking about some kind of wrathful God in a book. I’m talking about the absolute, that which is good. Okay, then whatever those good qualities are, which, I’ll give you a clue, anything that you can think of that is good is a demonstration of the absolute greatest good. Okay?

[00:57:46] But the more you do good, it means the more you are demonstrating the qualities of the Source, that which is the source of all that is good.

[00:57:55] If you choose to include God, Jesus in your life, you become more spiritual. There’s a subtle thing there. So you can do a lot of good, but it doesn’t make you spiritual.

[00:58:06] You have to actually have a desire for God. Another way putting it is a love for God. And remember, we’re not talking religion, we’re talking absolute.

[00:58:16] So a love, a desire towards that which is one thing everywhere. And the embodiment of that was Jesus. What is Jesus? So therefore, it is through conscious choices, brackets, free will, that you spiritually grow. In other words, if you choose to have something in your life that is spiritual, then that was a choice. If you choose to reject it, that was your choice. If you choose to make good choices, that is your choice. It is your choices that allow you to grow spiritually. Therefore, if there is no free will, there is no spiritual growth, period.

[00:58:55] So there can be no growth without free will. And by the way, free will is a human thing, it’s not an animal thing.

[00:59:04] One of the, if you, if you kind of look at the animal biology side of things, or the animal psychology side of things, it’s very interesting to ask, can animals demonstrate free will?

[00:59:15] Now, here’s where it gets interesting. Choices are based on perception.

[00:59:20] So if you’re going to choose, like one of the points I made there is if you, if you choose to include God or Jesus, let’s be honest, I know that when I said that, but I don’t apologize when I said that, that would have provoked some people.

[00:59:35] Some people would have felt a repulsion at the idea.

[00:59:39] Why did they ever meet Jesus?

[00:59:43] Have they studied?

[00:59:45] Or have they just been conditioned by their environment to have a predetermined negative reaction to the word God or the word Jesus?

[00:59:54] You know, so their choices are based on their perception. Not necessarily reality, but perception. So perception is everything because you’re going to make your free will choices based on what you perceive, not necessarily what is true.

[01:00:12] And so if a deception can alter perception, then it interferes in free will.

[01:00:20] Okay?

[01:00:22] So truth matters because truth is the opposite of deception. If, if your choices are going to be deceived based on what you perceive, then if you don’t value and strive for truth, you will be deceived because there’s a lot of it out there. And then your choices, which ultimately determine whether or not you spiritually grow, will be skewed by the deceptions and not the film that Millie was referring to, that was Inception.

[01:00:53] So the question to ask is, what alters your perception? Now, time is. Time is fleeting and there’s still stuff to do. So I’m just going to leave that as a hanging question. But I would think about just very quickly, you know, neural link can put data. Well in the future, brain computer interfaces can put information in that may or may not be true information. And by the way, in case you’re wondering if this is theoretical cochlear implants, you see people sometimes and have a little wire going into their brain. That is a brain computer interface that is putting data in. It’s got a mic and it listens to the audio and then it stimulates the nerves directly to bypass the broken earth to make the person hear what the electronic device is telling them to hear. Now what if that electronic device was hacked or deliberately able to deceive them?

[01:01:50] It could talk to them, it could give them false information, it could make them hear things that aren’t there, or it could omit to give them information that is there. In other words, that becomes the guard, the gateway of truth.

[01:02:03] So you’re putting all your faith and trust in a electronic device and hoping that isn’t nefarious or hacked.

[01:02:10] So there are other things that people are doing right now. Some of you are probably doing this right now. If you have Bluetooth earbuds, you want to be googling or other other search engines are probably preferable.

[01:02:24] Technology that there is already in headphones that is sensing your brainwaves. So it’s doing the right out.

[01:02:31] But if they can do the right out, what’s to say it can’t also do the right in? And it might not be able to give you specific thoughts or information, but it might be able to to stimulate parts of your brain that would then change your perception of reality. So it’s certainly when we’re talking about free will, what alters your perception is really important.

[01:02:53] So now I’m going to go over and we’re going to do a quick bit of book reading. All right, so we are reading Spiritual Life Explained the wake up call and we are now on page 37 and we’ve been talking about the teachings of Abraham.

[01:03:08] Of course, those people who enjoy the teachings of Abraham or who channel and share them with others are oblivious to this higher truth. Since they themselves have been deceived and misdirected away from true spirituality.

[01:03:21] They now have their role as practitioners or agents of Abraham cemented into their personal lower self identity.

[01:03:30] Because such an identity is empowering. It can easily lead to ego and so would resist challenge.

[01:03:37] Truth stands firm.

[01:03:40] It would be hard for them to accept the truth. And I do not have any wish to convince them or anyone that what I say is true either. Truth stands firm on its own and does not need defending.

[01:03:52] Rather Truth speaks to those who value it when they are ready for it.

[01:03:59] And we were literally just talking about how important truth is with respect to free will.

[01:04:04] Those who do not value truth will not recognize it, and it is a fool who tries to force the truth on another.

[01:04:12] Because what you know from personal insight is what you know, but trying to force someone else to to know it is lowering yourself into the world of beliefs.

[01:04:25] It is wise to remember that everyone who has chosen to follow Abraham has done so of their own free will.

[01:04:33] I was at that crossroads once, just like many other people and like others I know, we explored it and then realized it was small and a spiritual dead end and so left it behind to carry on pushing for the truth. Since God respects free will, then so should we.

[01:04:51] As with all I share brackets in my podcasts. Maybe it will resonate with people who are ready speaking to their higher self even if their lower self is distracted. And if not, well, God still loves each and every human and guidance, feedback and opportunities for spiritual growth will always come to those who are awake.

[01:05:12] Which brings us on to part four and the reason why so many people are not very awake.

[01:05:18] You know what?

[01:05:20] Because we’re low on time. I’m going to finish there so that we start next time on a new on this new part. So for now I will see you back.

[01:05:32] Okay. And here we are. Look. I think that was really lovely. It was only really one or two pages there, but I didn’t plan that. But isn’t it maybe synchronicity that the word free will came up so many times when reading that book just now? And that’s exactly what we’ve been talking about in tonight’s topic.

[01:05:53] So it’s all we’re going to do now. I think we will have a look and let’s just see if there’s any questions in the chat username. What also mentioned the film Black Widow, which again is another one I haven’t. I haven’t actually seen a lot of films in a while.

[01:06:13] So Black Widow, I believe is a spin off from the Marvel universe. Someone pointed something out the other day, actually talking about the Marvel films. It might have been that guy on Facebook, the fittest flat Earther. I can’t remember his name. Put it in the chat if you know his name, but he was basically saying that it’s all inverted. So the Avengers are actually the bad characters and the ones that seem to be attacking Earth, etc. And Thanos are actually representing God and the good characters. And so Hollywood has got us all Rooting for the bad ones and kind of booing the good ones. He puts it better than I do, but I just thought it was quite an interesting take and he goes into it a bit. But look, we’re just wrapping up, it’s the end of the show. So if you’ve got anything that you want to ask or share, movie suggestions are always great.

[01:07:10] As a spiritual person, you know, I’ve talked a bit in the past about going to the cinema and certainly I have a rule. I will not watch a horror film. I will not these days watch anything that is glorifying magic.

[01:07:23] So I wouldn’t do Harry Potter or anything like that.

[01:07:28] And anything that is deliberately dark or demonic or satanic, which pretty much rules out most of Netflix, most of Disney.

[01:07:36] So I’m always on the lookout. And one of the things I’ve realized is that, look, I. I’m not rose tinted spectacles here. I know that Hollywood, you could go down the rabbit hole with the whole Hollywood thing.

[01:07:49] But I know that they’ve been doing a bit of predictive programming and conditioning people for a very long time. But I do believe that the films from say the 70s and 80s were a lot more innocent and lighter than the films that we get these days in the general, in the main. And so. And also there was that kind of, I think just talking those of, you know me know I’ve got a love of. I used to actually run a media company, CGI Roundabout. Terminator 2. Time really is, was the death bell of great films. After that then they really started to rely too much on CGI and not enough on plot and character development. That was, that was kind of my take and I used to be a real sci fi buff and so the classics like Aliens, you know, Director’s Cut and things like that, I think great films and Predator.

[01:08:37] But we’ve grown up, we’ve changed, we’re spiritually growing so we don’t, we don’t give as much time and energy to things like that.

[01:08:46] But it’s been fun to look at a few film suggestions today. So I’m not seeing any more questions in the chat. I think we’re all at a point where we want to call it a day. So it’s been a pleasure having you join me for this Part three, I think we’re on now looking at Free will and I will see you next week. And I don’t know if we’ll do all of the last three. They’re all quite big topics, so it might be the next three weeks. But Whatever it will be, will be. I have no plan until the day, and I do a little bit of work, but the podcast will be coming out. Podcast version of this will be coming out in the next few days.

[01:09:22] And so that’s something to look forward to. And then I will see you here next week and we’ll carry on this discussion and bring your questions. But for now, keep making really important. How can I put it?

[01:09:35] Value your free will. Don’t take it for granted.

[01:09:39] Be grateful for it, because it is your free will that allows you to keep making good choices and keep making those good choices. And God bless you. And I will see you next week for more.

BONUS MATERIAL:

[01:09:54] Okay, so as promised right at the start of this podcast, here’s the bonus stuff. So, look, how do you go about gauging whether or not the choices you’re making are the most spiritual, but how do you do it in a practical way? Because, you know, we, we’ve talked a lot about becoming stiller, becoming more tuned in, becoming more neutral and humble. And of course, those are all really, really good things to practice and to do and to kind of become, I. E. Making them part of who we are so that we’re not. It’s not an act, it’s not a thing we practice. It is basically the way we are being. So being more humble, being more neutral, all great, all good.

[01:10:39] But how do we get there? Sometimes we need a bit of guidance. Sometimes it would be nice just to say, what should I do? And I’m not saying this is definitive, I’m not saying this is the only way, but I’m going to share with you a strategy that I use sometimes. And, and I’m going to preface what I say by reminding you that I’m not religious, I’m spiritual. And what I’m about to reference, although most people are familiar with this thing being a religious reference, think bigger.

[01:11:11] Think about the message behind it. Think about the truth behind it. Not necessarily the way it was recorded recorded or the stories or the way that people try and codify it nowadays.

[01:11:25] But think more pure, okay? And so what I’m hinting at here is that the. One of the ways I navigate spiritual choice, which, let’s be clear, all choice fundamentally has a spiritual implication, because every single choice you make either moves you more towards goodness or more away from goodness and therefore raises you in spiritual terms or drops you in spiritual terms. So all choices are fundamentally spiritual. But how do we make the best choices? And what you can do?

[01:11:57] I’d definitely say play with it. See what you notice is to ask yourself, if Jesus was with me, would I still do this thing? And so, for example, if you’re thinking of going to see a film, would Jesus be happy to join me in the cinema watching this particular film? Or would he read this book? Or if I was driving a certain way, would Jesus be happy? Would he be happy with my driving right now? And by the way, if that evokes some kind of sense of judgment. That’s not what we’re talking about here.

[01:12:33] We’re talking about, what would Jesus do?

[01:12:36] How would Jesus be? And then aligning ourselves. And remember, I said we’re not talking spirit, forgive me, we’re not talking religion. We are talking spiritual. So irrespective of your religious beliefs or any ideas you have or stories you’ve heard, what Jesus in this context represents, and I truly stand by this, this is what I know. But again, what I know is what I. I know what you know is what you know. But Jesus is the greatest spiritual teacher, and that means that he shows us the way. He shows us the way primarily through example.

[01:13:17] What would Jesus do? Not what would Jesus say or what parable. I mean, those things are all useful, invaluable, really. But it’s the example set that acts as a guiding principle. So you can just think to yourself, what would Jesus do? But what I’m talking about here is the choices that we make.

[01:13:40] So you’re getting in your car and you drive. Maybe you’re running late, maybe you’re stressed, so you’re driving a bit more dangerously or not paying attention. Would Jesus be happy in the car with you? Would you drive the same way so you can see how it can be useful? And again, if you’re deciding on what to do, where to go, what to give your attention to, you know, act like Jesus is there with you in the seat next to you, not judging, simply bring your choices up to a level where you know that you wouldn’t feel embarrassed if Jesus was there, there, and that Jesus wouldn’t feel uncomfortable.

[01:14:24] So, just another approach to being more spiritual. But this whole podcast is about spirituality in a practical sense, in how can we. How can we reveal the presence of something that is intangible using tangible examples?

[01:14:41] And in that respect, there is no greater manifestation of the intangible than Jesus, who was God, Taking on form, literally the absolute intangible. Taking on form, a wonderful example of demonstrating the intangible through the tangible, which I guess is the whole purpose of this little series of podcasts. So I just thought I’d Share that little insight. Hopefully it helps. And look, I, I do, I do acknowledge, because I’ve been there myself as well, that we can all be carrying around a whole load of baggage that we don’t even realize we picked up. Maybe it was given to us, maybe we just, you know, kind of got indoctrinated into certain ways of thinking. So if when I said Jesus, you found yourself switching off or reacting negatively, understand I just said another name.

[01:15:41] The response isn’t from neutrality.

[01:15:46] If there was a negative response, I would actually say that is an opportunity to grow. I’m not saying that you have to wholeheartedly accept all teachings and the religious notion of who Jesus was, but just the principle that Jesus was God taken on form to help us by showing us how to live a more spiritual life.

[01:16:11] You know, if we park all the other stuff, I think most reasonable people will agree that, that he set an amazing example. An amazing example that 2000 years later still inspires loads of people and has been recorded to, to an extent that’s for phenomenal. So many witnesses from the time or soon after the time, all sharing their recollections and their inspiration.

[01:16:39] In fact, when it comes to historical figures and this is something you can again talking about the tangible evidence for the intangible people like Plato and Alexander the Great and you know, some of the main historical figures have only a few documents to validate their existence.

[01:16:59] By comparison Jesus has, I can’t remember the exact figure, but I believe it was something like 27000 and growing parchments and documents and scrolls and testimonials and books and things written about him from his time onwards. The attest to the existence of this person.

[01:17:18] So scholars agree that someone definitely existed.

[01:17:21] And again it’s like a lot of tangible evidence but for now just what would Jesus do and how would. What choice would you make that would be aligned with that is a really good way of another kind of tool in your spiritual toolbox. So on that note, God bless you, lots of love and keep making good choices.

OUTRO:

[01:17:49] Thank you for being awesome and joining me for this episode. I’m truly grateful. As a spiritual person, I hope it’s inspiring to realize that you’re not alone and that more and more like minded people just like you are enjoying this live show. This means that you’re part of a growing and awakening community and together we’re all finding the way back to God. Going deeper than just ideas and beliefs to experience firsthand real spiritual awakening. This is a journey of the heart, not the head.

[01:18:24] So take this moment to just become a little bit stiller, more present, more neutral.

[01:18:33] Now, notice what you notice when I ask you this question.

[01:18:40] What in this particular episode has been most useful?

[01:18:47] Now, who in your life at this particular time would benefit the most from knowing this too?

[01:18:53] Maybe it’s one person, or maybe it’s more than one. But because sharing is caring, it’s really nice to know that you can actually share this show with them and therefore help this show is completely free to enjoy and benefit from. Now, speaking of free stuff, if you’d like other useful, helpful spiritual resources, then head on over to the waybackgroup.org there you’ll find all kinds of free resources, articles, eBooks, MP3s, guided meditations, and a whole load of other stuff that’s completely free and waiting for you to discover it. So that’s all for this episode, but your journey and my journey continues.

[01:19:36] And so I look forward to having you join me next week for more revelation and exploration into spiritual things. And together, let’s make more sense of life, not just for us, but for our loved ones so that we can help them too.

[01:19:53] So remember to subscribe and and hit the notifications so that you don’t miss out.

[01:19:58] Who knows what we’ll be discussing next week, and the next question or topic might even be yours. Perhaps there’s a reason you’ve been guided to this show.

[01:20:08] So God bless you. And remember, real change starts when we put into practice what we’re learning so that we go from thinking and doing to finally being.

[01:20:26] So take what you’ve learned today and keep on being the best version of you.

[01:20:31] God bless.

Episode notes & timings:

As ever the timings are for the actual video live show and you can transpose them for the audio podcast by taking about 3 min 30 seconds off the times shown below.

00:05:13 Show begins
00:07:47 Recap from last week, so we are up-to-speed
00:09:55 Five points defining the meaning of “Free Will”
00:17:50 Evidence #1: People lie
00:24:35 Spiritual explanation of what really happens when a person lies
00:30:45 Evidence #2: Scientific Papers on “Free Will”
00:33:15 Evidence #3: Ethical concerns over BCIs (Elon’s Neuralink)
00:40:10 Robocop example / Predictive programming
00:46:46 Evidence #4: MKUltra & Project Bluebird, Artichoke, Mind Control
00:56:10 Films inspired by MKUltra
01:01:00 Elon Musk’s Satanic wardrobe: Baphomet
01:03:37 You have free will, so what? Spiritual reflections
01:10:10 Book Reading
01:14:00 Wrapping up

Links to resources mentioned in the show:

Screenshots from the live show:

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Free Will
Spiritual effect of lying
Neuralink brain chip
Neuralink Ethics over Free Will

Thank you for listening to this show. If you’d like more spiritual content then check out “The Way Back to Spiritual Awakening” podcast and visit TheWayBackGroup.org where you’ll find loads of free resources to help you get the most from your spiritual journey. Check out my books and films. – Mark

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