Ep.062 The Burden of Proof (Part 1) Using Science to Prove Spirituality Exists. Plus Lord Krishna and the Bible on Death and Reincarnation. Plus 10min Bonus content!: Spirituality w/ Mark Zaretti

Episode transcript:

[00:00:00] Hello, this is Mark, and what you’re about to listen to is the live show that was recorded last night on the 5th of June, 2025. I can’t believe that we’re in 2025! I used to watch Tomorrow’s World, and by now we should be having flying cars and, I don’t know, hoverboards and other things. But here we are anyway. And last night’s show was a pretty special show.

We took a completely different approach to things. I’ll explain in the show, but basically this is a really good one for how do you talk to people who are skeptical or perhaps just haven’t really considered that there could be more to life than the mundane and the biological. So this is a good one for you if you’re spiritual and you just want to be able to engage with your friends, family and loved ones in a way where you maybe help them to open their eyes a little bit.

So if that sounds like a good thing, then you’re in the right place. But look, as ever, at the end of this podcast, I’m going to give you some bonus material that wasn’t in the live show. So it’s definitely worth listening all the way through because the bonus material relates to various topics and points that get raised during the unscripted live show. So without any further ado, enjoy episode 62 of discussing spirituality, and I’ll see you at the end for some bonus stuff.

I’m your host for tonight, Mark Zaretti, and this is discussing spirituality.

And we’ve got a bit of a different show tonight. I’m going to be approaching things from a slightly different tact than perhaps we normally would.

It’s great to just be here with you guys and let me just show you what we’re going to be looking at today.

I’ve titled Spirituality and the Burden of Truth. And I’d like to give you a little bit of a background to all of this. Hopefully this is something that we can all relate to as well.

Although, unfortunately, it would be nice if we maybe didn’t have to relate to this particular facet of being a spiritual person. But look, if you’re, if you’re a nice, kind, loving, spiritual person, then there’s going to be people in your life that you care about, that you love, and especially if you can see that they’ve got some spiritual potential in them, then you naturally want to help them to grow in their spirituality.

Now, the danger with that is that you kind of run the risk of being in the kind of situation of I know something you don’t know.

And then that can come across not in the nicest way, basically because you’re kind of trying to impose what you think they need rather than what they actually are ready for. So it’s always kind of like finding a balance. I found myself in this situation. I’ve got a dear friend and I know he’s, he.

There’s so many aspects of who he is that he demonstrates. He’s very spiritual. But whenever I bring up the topic and he knows I’m a spiritual guy and he knows I’ve written spiritual books and stuff, whenever I bring up the topic of spirituality, the door slams shut.

And, you know, even though he knows I’m not religious, if I even reference anything slightly religious like the idea of the source or God or anything like that, then again, there’s a massive block in him to that kind of thing. And so it’s a real shame because he’s got a lot of capacity for growth and I feel, feel that my experience means that I can perhaps help him or share with him. And also it’s just that, you know, if you love someone, you want to share with them what you’re interested in. And it got me thinking about this whole burden of proof. Because when you try and talk to people about spirituality, you’re on the back foot and it’s this implied burden of proof. In other words, you have the burden to prove to them that what you’re talking about has any value whatsoever.

And maybe that’s something you can relate to. There’s people in your life that you wish they knew or had experienced things that you’ve experienced because you’ve experienced wonderful, amazing things or you wish that they just grow in their spirituality.

And even if we’ve done all the right work on ourselves to make sure we’re not coming from a place of ego or anything, we’re just genuinely sincerely wanting what’s best for those that we care and love.

We’re going to find this situation where we are in a situation where we’re trying to tell them something or share something with them. And we, we feel like, or it’s implied that we, we’ve got to prove it. And of course, with spirituality, how can you. So that’s where we were coming from with this. And I, I always think it’s best to teach from real life experience. And you know, each week you guys send me questions. And this week there is going to be questions.

And so this week, as well as the burden of proof or which is probably just Part one, to be honest, because it’s quite a big subject.

We’re also going to be doing some of the book reading following on from last week, and there is a question that has come in from someone and it’s an anonymous question which I respect, and we’re going to be looking at. It’s kind of on the theme of burden of proof, but the historical evidence in particular for reincarnation.

Lots to get on with.

Let’s start. So this is how I’m going to tackle this whole burden of proof thing. I. I actually took a step back and said, what are the presuppositions I’m making or the propositions about spirituality? In other words, I. I know intrinsically from my own experience, as I’m sure you do as well, what spirituality means to you. But what happens when you try and translate that into, say, some core principles or core ideas that you could then communicate with someone else and in a way where it’s not relying on any kind of priori knowledge or dogma. So in other words, you’re not going to be hooking into, for example, religions or belief systems or books or anything like that. So these were the. And I’m not saying this is definitive, but this is just from earlier today. I just sat down for five minutes and said, okay, what. What propositions am I making about spiritual stuff? So, number one, I wouldn’t say these are strictly in any kind of order, but firstly, I came up with, you are more than a physical body and brain. So we’re at that kind of level. Okay. We’re not going into any kind of deep philosophy or esoteric stuff. If you’re talking to someone about spirituality, then one of the propositions is that what I’m trying to convey to them is you are more than a physical body and a brain. The next one is your thoughts affect you and your environment.

So these are kind of the building blocks of trying to take someone on a journey from not being consciously aware of spirituality to having some kind of framework of reference for spirituality. Okay, next one is there are unseen dimensions.

Okay. And while I’m listing these, I mean, hopefully you’ve got your own ones coming up. You know, when I said spiritual propositions, it’d be quite interesting to know what jumped into your head first in terms of maybe the assumptions or the ideas that you hold dear that you haven’t necessarily put into words up till now. So if you are in the chat, then that’d be something that would be quite cool to see. And it doesn’t stop There. So another spiritual proposition is that there is good and bad and you could extrapolate that to be yin and yang.

You have free will is a really important one as well. Number five and number six, that there is a purpose to life. The purpose of life is to grow. Now I could have extended that to say the purpose of life is to grow spiritually. But just keeping things simple, death is not the end. That’s a big one.

And then last one is there is something greater than you. Now in reality I could have probably come up with another 10 when you start going into more detail. But I just kind of thought like say I was running a Spirituality 101 course at university or something like that. What would be the core concepts that I’d want to try and communicate and get across to people who hadn’t really thought of it before. So that’s where we’re coming from with this. In other words, let’s meet people where they are, not where we are. That’s really, really important to kind of realize that quite often the stumbling block is that we’re in a different place from where they are. I wouldn’t say more advanced. That’s not necessarily the right way of looking at it, just simply that they are where they are and you are where you are. So let’s meet them where they are and not assume anything. And to achieve this exercise, my approach is to, number one, use evidence that anyone can get. And I know a lot of this flies in the face of what spirituality actually is. In other words, it’s a self experiential journey.

But still, if we can communicate with people with information that they can go off and check and look into, then it gives them something to move forwards with. Whereas if we’re saying, well, my experience, the only thing we’re talking about is our own experience and there is value in that. But if the only thing we’re talking about is our own experience, then we haven’t created a bridge between where they are and where we are. So use evidence that anyone can get is part of the approach. The second point is avoid referencing religion or belief systems.

It’s not that to some they don’t have value. It’s simply that again, we’re trying to avoid assumptions and importantly from experience, we’re trying to prevent any biases, fears, objections, resistance by association that the other person might have from coming into the picture. So for example, if someone’s got a very strong opinion against religion, then there’s no point in us talking about religious, religious references because the moment you drop anything into the conversation that could even remotely be misconstrued as some kind of religious leaning, that’s when the walls come up and the resistance comes in. So if we can do it, avoiding referencing any of these things, all the better, simply because then it keeps things cleaner and more accessible to people. So hopefully this sounds like something that might be interesting to you. I know it’s a bit different from what we’ve looked at previously, but in reality, you know, this is episode 62, and if you look back at, I mean, We’ve covered over 200 of your questions and the breadth and depth of what you’ve asked and people, good people like you have asked is quite, quite stunning, really, because spirituality does actually impact on everything.

There’s nothing in your life that if you didn’t start to inquire into it and look into it a bit deeper and maybe look at what’s causing it, what’s behind it, what’s the motivations, you start to drop into a bit more of a spiritual understanding. And I’ve used the analogy before that there’s only one mountain to climb, but there are many paths up here. So wherever people are is the starting point. They don’t have to come around to a different place. They can start from where they are. So let’s start where we are right now with the spiritual propositions. And logically, let’s just start with number one, which is you are more than a physical body and brain.

Now, I’ll preface what I’m about to do by saying that this is not definitive, this is not absolute. This is simply what was I able to do in the small amount of time I had at my disposal today.

And the reason why I didn’t do a lot of kind of preliminary work on this is simply because if it requires someone to do a lot of work just to get to the point of understanding of what we’re trying to communicate, then we’re asking too much. So if I could answer kind of this first point in a few minutes of research, then so can they. And that makes it more accessible. Remember, the key word, one of the key words for today is accessibility. Okay, so let’s have a look at, number one, evidence that you are more than a physical body and brain. So remember, the point is to try and provide credible, accessible evidence, evidence that they could find on their own to suggest that this may be the case. And so the first example that came to me was remote viewing. And it’s something I’ve had experience of and been aware of for A very long time. I think I first came across it probably 20, 20 plus 30 years ago maybe. So here’s the key bit of information.

What we’re looking at on the right is two pages of a document released by the CIA under the Freedom of Information act as part of a disclosure on Project Stargate. And Project Stargate was a US military CIA operation that ran from 1977 to 1995. So the key take home there is that the military and the CIA were interested enough in remote viewing that they did it for 18 years, years under this project. And that doesn’t mean they stopped doing it. That probably just means that they reclassified it or changed the label that it was under or the bit department that was under. And what we’re actually looking at here is they were using remote viewers to try and find the location of the hostage. Terry Waite now, why have I brought up the CIA and the US Military, these organizations, for them to do something that would that for 18 years means that they had to perceive some value in it. Now, truth be told, and I’m very interested in the truth, eventually they, they drew the conclusion that it wasn’t accurate enough for their uses. In some cases it was, but in a lot of cases there was too much ambiguity because of how the process works. But they did not deny that the process was real. They simply questioned some of the ways that the sessions were done and the said that the information coming back was a bit too vague for detailed intelligence work. But nevertheless, they looked into it and used it for almost 20 years.

So if these organizations, with all their resources and their access to hidden knowledge and things like this, that they don’t disclose, found value enough to use it for 18 years, then it suggests that there is some validity in remote viewing. Now, if you’re scratching your head or you’re not familiar with remote viewing, that’s okay. What it is, is people are the way it’s done with the CIA and the military, because they try and do it very scientifically, is they have the remote viewers and they don’t know what they’re viewing or any information. They’re just given some numbers. And numbers quite often refer to like a geographic point, but a bit obfuscated. So in other words, they, they don’t get given any information like you’re looking for a man in his 50s with ginger hair or something like that. They’re just told 7235. And that might just be the file number for the, for the case that they’re looking into.

And then There will normally be two or three of them and the person that hands them the information isn’t the person that’s looking for the information. So there can be no subliminal transfer. In other words, the person who’s got the brief will pass it on to a handler who will then pass it on to the remote viewers. The remote viewers won’t have any prior information and they’ll just.

What they do is they, they will go inside a bit like meditation and focus on the trigger number and then record everything that they see and they hear and draw sketches, etc. So what we’re looking at on this screenshot is an actual remote viewers notes as they were doing the remote viewing work. And if it’s something you’re interested in, certainly look into it. It’s not spiritual. That’s the first thing to say in and of itself, it’s not spiritual. But what it does do is suggest that we you are more than a physical body and brain. And the reason is if you are just your nervous system and your physical body, then then how could you perceive something distant? And some of these remote viewers are doing work on the other side of the planet. Some of them were doing work on other planets and, and evidence started to come up that some were able to jump forwards in time and backwards in time as well because.

Well, I won’t go into the because so much, but there was interest in the fact that some were able to get information from the past and the future. The problem with that from a methodology is that you can’t prove whether they’re accurate because it hasn’t happened yet or it happened a long time ago.

And if it’s something we all knew about, then it wouldn’t really count. It has to be something that’s new information coming to light.

Remote viewing is similar to some of the work I do, but I don’t do remote viewing. And the key understanding there is remote viewing really leans on the mind.

And you know, to answer you’re more than your physical body and brain. Well, we can talk spiritually about things like mind, but keeping it really simple, I wouldn’t bring that in if I was talking to this theoretical person. I’d just simply say, okay, so the CIA and other military organizations and professional organizations have explored the use of remote viewing for almost two decades and more because it’s still ongoing.

What does that suggest? And so what I am putting here in this orange box is this bit of evidence provokes a question.

And one of the best ways of helping someone make steps towards Growing in their spirituality is not to give them information, so much as ask some questions. That’s one of the things that I’ve learned and I’m learning.

So the question I would ask is, having looked at the fact that there’s evidence that remote viewing is a real thing that credible organizations are involved in, the question I would put to you is, what was going to the place or time to do the remote viewing?

So if a person sits down in remote views, what part of them went and saw?

And that starts to introduce the idea that there might be something more than a physical body and brain.

That in itself isn’t necessarily a convincer, but it’s one piece of evidence. So let’s have a look at something else that we could do. So the next thing that we could point them at is telekinesis, which is moving things with the power of your mind.

And if you. If you watch the Stranger Things, which I wouldn’t necessarily recommend, it’s quite a dark show. But if you have. There’s a character called. I think they’re called number 11, and it’s this girl who’s got all these powers. What we’re looking at here is on the right is a photo of Nina Kalugina, or Kulagina, I’m not sure how that’s pronounced, but she’s A Russian, born 1926, died 1990.

And she was one of the most famous telekinesis people ever recorded. I first came across her in a book by Lyle Watson called Supernature that I was reading probably when I was about 17.

And she famously did a lot of work with scientists who. The picture in the middle is her being hooked up to scanners on her head so they can assess her brain waves while she’s doing the work.

And people were saying, oh, is it sleight of hand or it’s magic? And so they devised an experiment to prove that she was really the genuine thing. And so what they did is they carefully broke an egg into a tank of saline water, I think it was saline, so the egg wouldn’t sink.

And so you have the egg egg white and the egg yolk in the middle. And then they sealed this tank of water and it’s on a table, a wooden table.

And the reason why they used an egg is it’s not magnetic.

You can’t tie string to a yolk or to a raw egg white because it’ll just go straight through it. Because people saying, oh, she’s using magnets or she’s using strings. So they devised this experiment that is technically impossible. So they broke an egg into the middle of this big tank of water, sealed the lid, and then.

I can’t, I think she was even blindfolded as well.

Basically she was sitting away from it and she had to separate the egg yolk from the egg white to the opposite ends of the tank. And from, from memory, it took a long time, but she, she did it.

And she lost a load of weight and I think she went blind or had like migraines for several days.

And they recorded a real kind of increase in brain activity. In other words, it cost her quite a lot. And she, you know, she was exhausted at the end, but she did it. And one of the other things she could do is they would mark one match in a matchbox and then drop them all on a table. And she would, with her power of her mind not touching it, she would draw that match out from the pile.

So that was another thing. And then the, the third famous experiment she did is they took the heart of a frog out and put it into like a solution that would sustain it.

And the heart kept on beating. And then they asked her, can you stop it? Because I think they were looking at whether they could train assassin, this is Russia, cold wartime, whether they could train assassins to stop people’s hearts remotely. And so she managed to slow it down and then speed it up, and then with a lot of effort, she managed to stop that frog’s beating heart.

And if that sounds familiar, she’s the inspiration and project.

The previous slide as well is the inspiration behind the film Men who Stare at Goats, which is actually based on real military experiments to see if this kind of stuff could be done.

So you probably never heard of her, but telekinesis is another thing, and there’s actual videos and I’ve got loads of links to share. So in the podcast, write up or share links to documentaries about her and video footage of her doing various things. And, you know, there was a lot of criticism. She, she did a lot of her work around, you know, with scientists, but people were picking holes in it. And I guess with anything like this, it’s like Urugella, is he a fraud? Is he real?

We have to just, I think, look at the evidence, make our own mind up, but also look at the context. So if people wanted to discredit her, is it because they didn’t want Russia to be perceived as having a more powerful psychic, for example, since we, it was a cold war at the time.

But anyway, she, she was actually accused by a magazine of being a fraud and she sued them successfully for defamation of character.

But she’s not with us anymore so.

And the point is, I don’t want to get too into the reeds.

The take home here is the Russian KGB and millet and scientific establishment were convinced enough with her abilities to be able to move things that they devised a number of experiments where she was able to interact with inanimate and living objects and affect them remotely from a distance without touching them.

Telekinesis. So the take home from that little bit of evidence. Remember what we’re looking at here is you are more than a physical body and brain. So the question I would ask is what non physical part of her is interacting with the objects or the frog?

And remember the goal here is simply to ask and present information and ask questions in such a way that you’re not trying to tell someone there, you know, you are more than a physical your physical body and brain but rather help them to make that realization for themselves simply by sharing with them evidence that they can access rather than it being all about your experiences.

So hopefully that makes sense. That’s number the second one. There’s more we’ll play on. But if, look as ever, if you’ve got any, any questions or you want me to go into anything or clarify anything, we’ve got the chat here. So just put question mark, question mark, question mark and I’ll see it pop up in the chat and I’ll either answer it then or we’ll save it to the end when we do the Q and A from the chat at the end of the live show. But let me dive straight on to the next one. So the next one is out of body experiences or OBEs.

Now amazingly about 10% of the world population have reported having an out of body experience.

And just as I’ve had some personal experience of remote viewing, I’ve also had a very brief out of body experience.

And I can talk about that if you want. But. But basically I’m probably there must be at least one other statistically or two people listening to this right now or who are going to, who’ve also had them because at least 10% of the population has experienced an outer bodily experience. Now at the bottom I put they’re also known as spirit walking or astral projection. But the OBE terminology is the more mainstream way of putting it because it’s simply a description of the experience. Whereas astral projection requires people to have some kind of belief in an astral plane or an astral body and spirit walking Again leans too heavily on the spiritual side.

So the mainstream and science likes to give names to things that don’t suggest anything spiritual.

And that maybe is a better tactic rather than saying, hey, have you heard of spirit walking? Say, have you heard of out of body experiences? You’re talking about the same thing, but one will provoke less of a reaction than the other and therefore be more accessible to people. Remember that keyword is accessibility.

So what do we know about OBEs? Well, about 10% of the population experience them. There’s a whole load of different phenomena.

Some people see their body, some people just see remotely.

Some people can recall things that are happening around them.

You know, this kind of thing. There’s also some phenomena like seeing your limbs shorten and things like this.

Science tries to explain it and can induce it in some people by heavily disorientating them. So for example, putting them in an isolation chamber, subjecting them to a lot of sensory overload and stuff like this.

And they’ve also noted that people with certain types of brain damage to certain parts of the brain are more likely to experience an obe.

And what that means from science’s point of view is they try and suggest therefore that it’s purely a function of the brain or a function of stress.

What they don’t do a good job of explaining is, in other words, they’re trying to say it’s not actually real, it’s just that your perception is so twisted because you’re under duress or you’ve got brain damage and so you think you’re perceiving from outside your body, but really you’re just making it up.

That doesn’t address the issue where someone might have an out of body experience and see something in the room that they could not have seen from where their body was laying.

They just, you know, all the scientific literature I read today about it just doesn’t address those kinds of issues. They, they’re just narrowly focused. So it’s, it’s, it’s handy to try and maintain this balance and say, look, the, the evidence, because we’re talking about physical evidence, the evidence is this. But also there are holes in it. Just as you know, when we’re talking about stuff that’s non physical, we can’t prove it physically. When we’re talking about these kind of phenomena, the physical explanations can’t adequately explain them completely. But science does acknowledge that out of body experiences do exist and they are doing research to try and understand why.

So the question, again, remember, it’s not about telling the person it’s about inspiring the person.

So if someone has an out of body experience and observes their own physical body, then the question would be what is observing a physical body? Because it cannot be the body itself or the brain or therefore the eyeballs. And my own experience of this was that I had quite a horrendous accident a few years back and severed my leg.

And a few days later I, I had a flashback to the out of body experience where I was in the hospital looking down on my knee while I was in the operating theater, which means I would have been under anesthetic.

So I had this very like photoreal recall of seeing my knee from a direction that it’s impossible for me to physically see my knee from. So it was a very brief one and it wasn’t real time. It was recollection of the experience but that was my own personal one. And you know, always fascinating to hear, you know, people’s experiences and as it says about 10% of the population. So I’d imagine that quite a few people have maybe experienced these things and there’s quite a broad spectrum of what the experience can be as well.

I certainly remember when I used to be involved with a large group of meditators. Meditators that one of my friends at the time had quite a profound experience of this as well where they were suddenly on. They were sitting by a riverbank and suddenly they were on the other side of the riverbank looking back which was a little bit trippy.

But anyway, so there we go out of body experiences and the next one is kind of goes hand in hand with that really is near death experiences. The main difference is that NDEs have additional phenomena and there’s, there’s a whole list of phenomena. So I’m really just pointing you in the right direction here. You can do your own research.

But there’s things to do with tunnels. I think about 30% of people experience a tunnel. They’re meeting deceased relatives or spiritual figures reaching a point of if they go further they can’t return and then returning to the body sometimes involuntarily and.

Yeah, so. And just in the chat there just to validate the statistics. So username what has said I’ve had an obe. I’m assuming that’s out of body experience and not order of the British Empire.

Sorry, dad jokes.

So the, the key thing I want you to take away from the near death experiences is is this guy Van Lommel did a study and it’s quite bizarre really.

These doctors wanted to study the phenomena. So what they started to do, was they in rooms within hospitals where they knew people were likely to die, like resuscitation wards or trauma wards. They put shelves high up near the ceiling and put photos or objects on the shelves that you could not see from ground level. You had to be on the ceiling to see what was on the shelves.

And then they, anyone who died and then was brought back. So who was clinically dead and then resuscitated was interviewed. When they were fit and healthy, did you notice anything? Did you see anything?

And they found evidence.

The problem they encountered was a lot of the time people died in rooms that weren’t set up, but they still interviewed them. And in the interest of scientific rigor they dismissed most of the cases that they interviewed, but they found one or two where the person was clinically dead. And obviously when someone dies, they record the time clinically dead for a significant amount of time and then brought back.

And the person was able to recall with clarity seeing what was done to them while they were dead, but by the medical staff. So whether it was their chest being ripped open and heart massage or things being, you know, sewn up or taken out or put in or whatever it was, they were able to accurately describe exactly what happened to them, even things that were said.

And then the researchers were able to go to the medical staff and confirm the time that these things happened and that they did happen. And that got confirmation that that person was dead on the table. There was no brain activity, there was no breathing, they were dead. And yet, yes, these events happened exactly as they have described. And so in those cases it’s, you know, the person that experienced in the NDE observed the medical team doing their job. And there’s a similar study called the Aware Study 2008. And I’ve got, let’s see if I’ve got some of these.

Yeah, so there’s, you know, this is pub, the National Library of Medicine out of Body Experiences. And this is for example, this is them talking about the scientific explanation for that.

And that’s just a photo of that.

We’ll get on to some other stuff, but I’ve got loads of links here. I’ll share with you in the write up so you can follow up some of these things that I’m mentioning. But for now the key thing is that the medical profession have studied NDEs and in a number of cases they have confirmed that the only way that person could have had that information was for them to have died and observed from a remote place what was happening inside the, the resus room or the crash. Crash, you know, wherever they were.

So, you know, it gives credence to the fact that people can have a near death experience and be outside of their body.

And so remember. Why are we interested in that? Because we’re suggesting that you are more than a physical body and brain.

So again, what is observing the hospital events? And I would add, when the brain and body are clinically dead.

Okay, so this next one is probably one that I’d be surprised if anyone has heard about. Walk ins.

It’s quite a fringe topic. It’s gaining momentum. It’s not my artwork, by the way, credit to the original artist, but I wanted to share it. So this is someone having the layers of their identity peeled away to reveal an inner person.

Let me just briefly explain what walk ins are. And I’m not.

I’ve been researching this and I may well be doing a bit of a video on this at some point. Specifically, I’m not a fan, but people are talking about these things as if it’s a really positive thing.

I disagree.

The idea of a walk in is that another soul jumps into you and. And your soul leaves. So you are now a different person.

And the way they try and they. The way it’s been explained is by those that promote it is that you signed a sole agreement before you came into this body that after a certain amount of time you would get out the way and let someone else use the body.

Personally, it flies in the face of everything I know to be spiritually true.

But in the interests of defining that you are more than a physical body and a brain, if you listen to interviews of people who have who are walk ins, in other words, who they are now is not who they were when they were born. Then they talk about overnight waking up and having complete personality shifts. They no longer remember the person they were or they just have fragmented memory and they now have new memories of the new identity that is in them. And so again, just to reinforce the idea or the concept that you are more than a physical body and brain, the question I would ask someone is having have a look at walk ins. And then if someone has the same brain and the same body and there’s been no intervention, so they haven’t suffered an accident or a massive drug overdose or anything like that, but they are suddenly a different personality and identity, how do you explain that? In other words, there must be something that makes a person that is more than just the physical body and the brain.

Okay, so there we go. So that’s another bit of Evidence looking at the idea that we are more than just a body and a brain. Now look, if you’re a spiritual person, then the idea of being more than a physical body and a brain is everyday to you. But to some people that’s, it’s really radical thinking.

It’s not necessarily their fault. When you look at our education system and what we’re taught to believe, then we’ve been told that, you know, we are biology. That’s it.

A million in one random organization of chemicals that brought forth life randomly in a puddle somewhere. And you know, that’s what a lot of people believe.

So we’re here to help wake people up when they’re ready. Okay, so let’s have a look at the next topic, which is your thoughts affect you and your environment.

And bear with me a second and I’ll press that button. So there we go.

And then I’ll try and press the right button so your thoughts affect you and your environment. So the first thing I would point someone at is Masura or Masaru Emoto. Apologies if I spelled that wrong. Now this is the guy who did all the work where he projected thoughts into water or emotions into water and then froze the water and looked at the ice crystals that formed.

And the kind of classic way it’s explained is if someone held a glass of water and projected love and healing into it, they get these amazing crystals when it froze.

[00:39:29] But.

[00:39:30] But if someone else or the same person projected hatred and anger and resentment and negativity into the water, then you get this chaotic, horrible looking crystalline structures.

And people have gone further and done things like put, put a petri dish of water over an object like a picture of Jesus or a picture of someone else and then frozen it. And the water maintains the picture so you can see the outline of Jesus.

But also if you put it over, someone did a word like fear, I think. And then in the crystalline structure that was formed in the water, you could see a dark shadowy character that looked a bit satanic. And so yeah, this guy, Masaru Emoto, is a.

The guy who discovered this and has been made it his life’s work.

And the point I’m making is that what people think affects them and their environment.

And so since we’re made of water, if you’re angry, then the, the vibration of the water is changing as proven by the work he’s done. And I draw our attention to episode 50 that I did. And there was a part in there where I talked about the monster energy drink.

So the same idea that the Words or the pictures that are on the container of liquid. Because most liquids, like drinks are fundamentally water will have a vibration that gets imprinted into the drink. And so the monster energy drink has a lot of satanic references and Antichrist references on the can.

And so when people are drinking it, they’re drinking water that’s imbued with very satanic and ungodly and negative vibrations. So kind of we’re going a little bit off piece there, but I draw, you know, it’s just a practical application of what this guy is talking about in a very negative way and so worth being aware of. But the point is this, this work with ice crystals is something that someone can reproduce at home and test the theory or buy, you know, get this guy’s book or look up his videos on YouTube. And then from our perspective, if someone says, okay, I’ll look into that, then you can ask them the question, what is it that’s transferred between the person and the water to cause this and that? The answer would be something along the lines of energy, thought, etc.

And therefore it’s suggesting that your thoughts affect you because you’re made of water and your environment, because there’s water in the environment. And it’s not just limited to water, but water is a very mutable material, very special material.

So, next one. This is one of my favorite things that I’ve cited often and the connection between meditation and crime. So in 1993 there was an eight week experiment involving 4,000 TM meditators. So transcendental meditators. Now if you don’t know TM, it’s not really spiritual. And I’ve got a nice testimonial from a guy that I was teaching years ago who’d done a lot of tm and so he could draw the comparison between what I was showing him and TM, where he said he’d done about 25 years or 35 years of TM and after two hours of working with me, he’d actually found it more profound and stiller.

And so that’s why one of the examples, why I kind of say with a certain authority that transcendental meditation, though it has a lot of positive benefits, isn’t actually spiritual. It’s to do with the mind. And there’s a limit on the mind. But I digress. The point is that 4,000 TM folk meditators focused on Washington D.C. so I don’t know if they were all in Washington D.C. i think they may have been around the world, but every day for an hour to an hour and a half to two hours. They all meditated and focused on Washington, Washington D.C. with a goal of positivity.

And during that eight week period there was a peak of 23.3% reduction in crime.

And this was the picture on the right is an excerpt from the New York Times where it was reported.

Now, statistically speaking, they did a lot of statistical analysis on the change in crime rates, whether it was just seasonal weather and all of these things. And they said the chances of it being not caused by the meditators was the odds of it being random were less than two in a billion.

So in other words, it was highly significantly correlated to the work that was done by the meditation group. And it was the last week where they got the best results because the last week was the one where everyone joined in.

And you know, again, your thoughts affect you and your environment. So this is another tangible, you know, we’re talking New York Times big study done that showed that you can drop the rate of crime in a location if enough people focus in a positive way with positive intentions on the area.

So question, how did 4,000 meditators cause a 23.3% reduction in crime?

You know, the evidence is there, so we’re not defending it, we’re just simply saying, look, this has been recorded, this happened, this isn’t. You know, this has stood up to scientific rigor and study.

How do you explain it?

And the explanation is your thoughts affect you and your, and your environment.

You know, so again, just an interesting thing, but it’s nice to be able to pull these things, these bits of information that anyone can access and that’s the point of this exercise.

So I’m going to show you three more in quick succession. So positivity in health, there’s been lots of studies, you can Google it, that say that if you have a positive attitude, it has a positive outcome on cardiovascular disease. In other words, you’re less likely to get cardiovascular disease if you are a positive person and the recovery rates from certain types of cancer are greatly enhanced if a person is, is remains positive. And you know, this goes to the idea of laughter is the best cure.

So there’s so many studies scientifically that you can just kind of Google that or DuckDuckGo it, use other search engines and find all the evidence you need there. Another example is the placebo effect.

So it’s well known that placebo can account for up to, up to 30% of a change in a person’s well being for the better. So in Other words, if they’re on a clinical trial and they believe they’re taking medication, they get better.

You know, up to 30% of the people, or about 30% improvement on average on the people who are on sugar tablets.

Now, I want to talk about the case of female Viagra. For those of you that don’t know, I used to work at Pfizer, and while I was still there, I left them a long time ago. But while I was still there, Viagra had been a big success.

I wasn’t personally involved in that, that research, but I knew the people that were. I certainly knew some of them.

And someone confided in me the Pfizer may have.

I’ll choose my words carefully.

They backed down from promoting female Viagra. It’s called the pink. They called it the pink pill because obviously Viagra is known as the blue pill.

And part of the reason was so they. They were seeing whether or not Sildilafil pronounced that wrong. Anyway, could be used to improve female performance. Now, whereas a male.

The male performance is easy to assess because either he can or he can’t.

You know, what they were looking at for women was this idea of, there it is, female sexual arousal disorder.

I actually knew it back then as female sexual dysfunction dysphoria, but basically they dropped it. And as you can see here, if you search for the word placebo, so it’s a placebo. Controlled studies. Now, I can’t remember the exact figure, but the women who.

So the criteria for the disease was so vague that technically, if you were female and sexually active at any point in your life, you could say you had this disease because it was along the lines of, do you feel like your sex life could be better? Do you sometimes feel like stress makes a difference? You know, in other words, it was so vaguely phrased that, you know, the industry was accused of trying to invent a disease that didn’t even exist. Exist. And it’s not my words.

I’ve got links to it, I’ll share them. But basically, yeah, it was kind of like, look, you’re trying to. You’re trying to make a disease that doesn’t really exist. I won’t go into all the maths and stuff, but basically they dropped it. And the point I wanted to make was that the, the actual placebo effect was well above 30%. I think it was like 40 to 60%. So in other words, the women that were told that they were on the female Viagra were reporting massive improvements in their appetite for sex and their enjoyment of Sex and all the vague parameters that they were using to try and make up this disease that maybe didn’t really exist.

So placebo can be massive. Why is that important?

Because your thoughts, ergo, your beliefs, your expectations, affect your literal physical experience of life as well as your environment. So the placebo effect, whether we’re talking about female Viagra or any placebo effect, is a well known example of thoughts, in this case beliefs and expectations affecting, physically affecting a person in a recordable, measurable way.

And then the kind of 2.5 is self talk. And so there’s a massive correlation between positive self talk and sports performance. And if you again do a search online for papers to do with that, you’ll find lots of literature where they show that if you have a positive attitude or you’re telling yourself, yes, I can do this, then you’ll perform. Performance in the gym or in athletics or gymnastics will be better than if you’re telling yourself, I’m going to struggle, this is going to be difficult, this is going to hurt, the others are better than me, I’m not good enough. You know, all of the negative talk, this is so well documented. So again, just scientific literature and articles and books written on the correlation between the thoughts a person has and their actual performance in sports.

So the question again to someone looking at these things is why does positive thinking or belief improve healing and wellness or sports performance?

So the question will bring them round to the fact that the thoughts that you have affect you. Okay, so the third thing I brought up was about unseen dimensions.

Don’t worry, we’re not going to go deep into physics here, but if that’s where a person’s at, then it’s good to have these kind of concepts in our head so we can engage with someone at that level.

So I’ll go quickly over this.

String theory, which you may have heard of, suggests as well as the four dimensions we live in. So if you’re not familiar with it, the four dimensions we live in is, is left and right and that would be one dimensional. So you’d have a line, but it would just have a length. It wouldn’t have any other relative properties, left and right, forwards and backwards. So you could say that’s x and, or up and down Y and then that gives you two dimensional objects like a flat piece of paper. And then you’ve got depth. So if we use the X as one dimension, the Y as another, the depth would be how close or far away if you’re looking at the screen. And so that’s known as Z often. So X, Y and Z. So they’re the three dimensions that define space. And then, you know, I’m talking to you and I was saying something before and I’m going to be saying something different in a moment. And that’s because of the passage of time. So the fourth dimension that we are familiar with in everyday life is time.

So three dimensions of space, one dimension of time. Time is moving in one direction as well, but we can remember the past.

So string theory says that there are six additional dimensions beyond space and time.

If you want to get into it, be my guest and look it up.

It starts to get into the kind of like the next dimension up is other parallel universes that have the same initial criteria and rules as our universe.

And then the next dimension up is all of those potentials. And then the next one up is parallel universes that have a different starting point and therefore maybe different set of rules. And then the next one up is and all of the potentials of them. And then the next layer up is the superset of everything that could possibly be imagined beyond which is that which could not be imagined, which you know. So it starts getting into a philosophical concept of the limits of imagination.

That’s what string theory is. And the reason why it exists is because all the theories of, of science at the quantum level and etc don’t match the evidence that can be seen with our, you know, I was going to say with our naked eye. But their theories need some kind of multi dimensional model simply to make their theories match empirical evidence.

And what I’m drawing our attention to here really is that everything that the, the more complex science gets, the more it’s actually no longer science, it’s maths and theories.

And you know, Tesla famous, not Elon Musk, but the original Tesla, the OG Tesla famously said something along the lines of science is in danger of becoming mathematics and theory and not experiment.

There’s another unseen dimensions theory that is the multiverse theories. And again it sounds like something from a Marvel film, I won’t bore you with it, but that picture that we’re just looking at here, if I just drag the arrow over, is the background radiation and very much being cropped a bit. But the outside edge of this is it’s like a rugby ball shaped thing. And what it’s saying is that we can see right back to the point just after the Big Bang and there’s something beyond it.

And that somehow lends itself to this idea of that there may be other universes and they Might not even have the same laws of physical physics and rules as ours.

And the idea is that we just happen to be in the Goldilocks zone of the one that could support life.

And apparently it’s impossible to tell if they’re there. And it would be impossible with current theories and maths and science knowledge to actually get to them. So it’s non testable theory, but it’s been promoted simply to try and explain holes in all the other theories that science has.

You know, science isn’t looking great right now. It’s all based on theories. Even seriously, just take a moment to contemplate this. Of the five fundamental principal forces, the one that you’re probably most familiar with is gravity. And did you know that gravity has never actually been proven? And it is just a theory. Okay.

But it underpins the entire raft of space time continuum, quantum mechanics and all of that stuff.

So you know, we’re just, we’re just, it’s all theories, that’s okay.

But it’s handy to know that because when people are saying, well your spiritual stuff’s just a theory. So. Yeah, that’s right.

It’s just like the religion of science, you know, it’s all based on theory. There is, except the only difference is that when, when we’re, you know, the goal or the opportunity as a spiritual person is that if you actually get still enough, neutral enough, humble enough, come from your heart, let go, you can actually experience for yourself that which is being alluded to. So spirituality ultimately is not a theory. It’s there to be experienced. The burden of proof is translating your own personal experience to another person.

But I’ll challenge that assumption.

So anyway, let’s just quickly look at other proofs of the unseen dimensions. And we are kind of going down the, the rabbit hole a little bit on this. So the next one is UAPs disappearing. Now stay with me on this.

UAP unidentified aerial phenomena.

We’re at a stage now where credible witnesses such as pilots, the military contractors and even the ex head of defense of Canada and French ministers I believe are testifying publicly and in this case testifying to Congress in America of the existence of unidentified aerial phenomena. Now we’re talking UFOs here. That in itself doesn’t prove that there are unseen dimensions, but what they are recording on camera and by eyewitness, credible eyewitness, you’re talking about highly trained, you know, fighter jet pilots and active service personnel.

So I’m just going to read out a quote from one of them. So, description of unidentified anomalous phenomena that the Pentagon. The Pentagon told Congress about in 2024, in which government contractors saw a large metallic cylinder about the size of a commercial airplane float in midair before suddenly disappearing. Okay, the key word there is disappearing.

So the question that evokes is if something present disappears from view, where did it go?

Simple.

It lends itself to the direction of if it’s no longer in this dimension of awareness, where is it?

And then similar to that is the third bit of evidence for there are unseen dimensions. And by no means the only evidence, but of the ones that I was drawn to, orbs fly through solid matter.

So there is a show called Skinwalker Ranch. And in season four, episode 12, I remember seeing this.

They happened to have cameras on a helicopter and they were doing some experiments, and the helicopter camera caught a uap.

So it was a white light orb fly.

They’ve got this feature in the land called a mesa, which is basically like a raised plateau. Think about like a rock cliff face that’s raised up next to the ranch. So they saw this UAP fly along.

And I’ll highlight it with the arrow so you can see what I’m pointing at. So it flew along through the air, went into the ground at the top of the mesa, and then came through the ground and popped out the side wall of the mesa and flew along the floor of the field before disappearing.

And they caught it on camera.

So we’re not here to say what it is. We’re simply saying, how can something that is visible, recorded fly through solid matter?

Okay, so that’s one bit of evidence is Skinwalker Ranch Season 4, Episode 12 I can’t remember when it was probably a few years back, I did a video on paranormal orbs.

And it’s easy to remember because if you jump to 4 minutes and 44 seconds in, there’s one particular orb which I capture coming out or off the side of my head. And then it doesn’t just fly in a straight line out the window. And I explain what I’m doing in this video, why it was trying to get away from me, because it was no good, and I was aware it was there.

It actually moved up and then snaked around and then went out. So it kind of did this S shape. And you see it. You even see it leave a bit of a trail as it goes in this video. And this. This video that I’m sharing here, I’ll send. I’ll put links to. It was captured by accident. I happened to be setting up for a video conference, and I noticed the, the camera was picking up these orbs, so I started recording.

So that was kind of an opportunistic thing, but again, simple, keep it really simple. This camera has captured objects that are moving, not just in a straight line, but moving and performing maneuvers that are passing through physical windows and passing through someone’s head. How do you explain that?

And it’s the same question again. How can something visible pass through solid matter?

So this lends itself to the concept of there are unseen dimensions.

Okay, so I’m aware of the time, but there’s still loads to get through. So what are the conclusions that we can draw so far?

Science generally tries to explain away anything suggesting spiritual. So this was where, for example, the out of body experience stuff, the scientific explanation was, well, someone had a bit of brain damage, or someone, if you spin them around and make them really sick, then they might have an out of body experience. So that explains away all out of body experiences. No, it doesn’t. It just explains some cases potentially. So science is always trying to resolve things down to the mundane.

And so the idea that you could have scientific proof of spirituality is in itself an oxymoron.

But that’s okay. Just understand the limits.

There is evidence out there, but nothing concrete, obviously. So I’ve given you a load of different key points to say, well, this suggests this, suggests this, and suggests this, but none of them are concrete in themselves. And I use the word concrete because science naturally selects for the measurable and controllable. In other words, if you can poke it, prod it, measure it, they’re happy. But if you can’t, like we’re talking about spiritual states, non physical stuff, then science just draws a big blank.

So it’s obviously going to be difficult to get concrete evidence for something that isn’t concrete.

It is always best to talk from personal experience. I know I argued against that at the start, but someone, if you say, well, my own personal experience was that, you know, out of body experiences exist and this is what I experience, no one can refute that. They can tell you you’re mad, they can tell you that you made it up, but they don’t know.

So the beauty of talking from your own personal experience is it’s really hard for someone, someone to say you didn’t, but it still doesn’t have value to them. What we’re doing in this exercise is saying, hey, look at all of this stuff that’s right at your fingertips, that the mainstream is accepting and discussing what you think it means.

Okay? But it is always best to Talk from personal experience. So going through the different things, I could talk about remote viewing, out of body experiences, positivity and health. Because when I busted my leg up, I was able to heal a really fast rate. And I’ll talk about that story one day, maybe.

UAPs. So I’ve witnessed unidentified aerial phenomena three times and orbs passing through solid matter. I’m actually in that video, I’ve experienced it for myself. And I’ve got some footage the other day, oddly enough of this stuff. I got a new camera and I was just playing with it and sure enough I caught some light orbs in the room. And when they, when I started interacting with them, they all ran away.

Because just because they look light doesn’t mean that they are light, you know. So it is good to be able to back it up with some personal experience.

And then here’s the real take home. Don’t try and convince people of anything.

The idea is not to pull people along.

And I think this is where we’re really talking about spiritual maturity. Talk from your own experiences, have good intentions, but if someone’s not interested, leave it.

The best thing you can do is, sorry, forgive me, don’t push them along, pull them. And what that means is be the example, be a beacon of light. Be the best version of yourself. Inspire them to be a better person, to be more spiritual by being comfortable with your own spirituality, but not ramming it down their throat. When you ram something down someone’s throat, you’re pushing it down.

When you simply are being an amazing, awesome, light, beautiful, spiritual person, then people who are ready will gravitate towards that. And that’s, and then you can pull them along with your example. I mean, look, you know, I said we weren’t going to talk about religious stuff, but if you forget about the religious side and you just look at the example that Jesus set, that’s why what would Jesus do? WWJD is such an easy thing to keep, keep with us because by his example, irrespective of what you choose to believe, he set a really amazing example that 2000 years later people are still inspired by.

So what else before we move on to the next thing?

So let’s just do a very quick recap. More than a physical body and brain, we’ve got remote viewing, telekinesis, out of body experiences, near death experiences, and walk ins and telepathy. I didn’t cover that, but we could have talked. We could talk about telepathy.

Your thoughts affect you and your environment. So we’ve got Masaru Emoto and water. We’ve got meditation and crime, and we’ve got positivity, health, placebo, self talk and sport. And there are unseen dimensions. So we could talk about string theory and multiverse theory, UAPS appearing and disappearing and orbs passing through solid matter all suggest that there are unseen dimensions. But now it’s time for the book reading. So I will see you over there in a moment.

[01:06:57] So we are on chapter 14, personal responsibility, which if you’re reading along, is page 27.

[01:07:05] And if you’re not reading along, don’t worry.

[01:07:09] So right at the start in part one, I said I chose to learn from the experiences and importantly, take responsibility for allowing myself to be misled.

The key thing here is for each of us to take personal responsibility.

God has not let you down.

God has not abandoned you. Your higher self has not let you down. Your higher self has not abandoned you. You are not being punished.

You are simply not being receptive because you think you know best. You are putting your brain habits and ego in charge and ending up getting it wrong.

We have all done this. Some people get it right some of the time, others get it wrong most of the time.

So be kind to yourself. Avoid that negative trap of self pity or self criticism. After all, you have been guided to this book so you can do something about it.

On some level, you are winning already. So let us keep up the positive momentum.

[01:08:13] And I break away from this. I say that because, look, if you’re.

[01:08:17] Listening to this right now, then you.

[01:08:19] Are spiritually awake and you want to do better. So you’re already winning and it’s really nice.

[01:08:28] So where I say, so let us keep up the positive momentum. We’ve literally just been talking about how your thoughts affect you and the environment and we talked about sports performance. But it’s the same for spirituality and self. Our own kind of journey and growth is that if we are positive, things go better. Okay, so God is rooting for you. Your higher self is rooting for you. Even I am rooting for you. So get on board the you are amazing and you deserve positivity train.

[01:09:01] So I love the fact that what we’re reading right now ties in with what we were looking at earlier. So that’s really nice synchronicity there.

So if you have understood that dis-ease is simply feedback and you are responsible and thus empowered, then you are doing great. In part four, we are going to learn how we can build on this momentum and avoid struggling spiritually.

But before that, since we have acknowledged that Some people get it wrong most of the time. Then let’s explore why it is that things like manifesting and the Law of Attraction might actually be spiritually counterproductive.

Chapter 15 The (Dark) Secret.

And that’s The Secret, but with the word dark in brackets. Many years ago, when I first read books on the Law of Attraction and started to listen to talks, interviews and videos by the main promoters and authors of that movement, like many people, I was totally hooked into it.

I had practiced what they taught about aligning emotionally and energetically with your desires and had some pretty interesting results attracting people and events into my life.

These manifesting successes felt empowering and made me want to do more, but it also felt a bit wrong.

However, it was only years later, once I started to discover more about beings on higher dimensions and the bigger picture of what was actually happening, that my intuition that it was wrong made sense and alarm bells truly rang.

The Teachings of Abraham if you are not familiar with the Law of Attraction work, it is about deliberately manifesting things or situations in your life and has been brought to the awareness of people on the physical plane by a collective on higher dimensions who are known as Abraham.

The primary person on the third dimension who communicates with them is a lady called Esther and she truly believes that what they have taught her.

And she truly believes what they have taught her and that she is doing good.

This information is all accurate and I’ve been able to confirm this firsthand on the inside on those higher dimensions.

It is through the now famous teachings of Abraham that many tens of thousands of people across the world are being guided to practice the art of manifestation, the Law of Attraction, what the hit movie the Secret was based upon.

It all sounds very positive and people are genuinely transforming their lives, bringing in wealth, attracting partners, creating opportunities and so on.

Abraham described themselves in their own words as a group consciousness from the non physical dimension.

And again, synchronicity we were talking about, you know, that there are more that there are not unseen dimensions or higher dimensions.

And Abraham have also said we are that which is at the heart of all religions.

So that is them basically saying they are divine, since all religions are supposedly in pursuit of the divine, God.

This notion that they are godly is further suggested by their claim that again in their own words, “whenever we feel moments of great love, exhilaration, pure joy, stoned out bliss, even the energy of sexual orgasm, when we feel that energy flow rushing through our bodies, that is the energy of source and that is who Abraham is.

So they are claiming to be the energy behind all that is good and that they are the source. Another way of them saying they are God. Esther also describes them as infinite intelligence, and again this is a suggestion that they are God, since the only thing that is beyond limits and hence infinite is God.

And yet they are a collective, meaning made up of many, not one, and are located on a higher non physical dimension, meaning they are still located within duality.

The state of enlightenment, however, is beyond all limits and thus simultaneously transcends and contains all dimensions. And so it is possible from within that higher state to inquire into the nature of anything within creation, including what Abraham is. Such an inquiry reveals that this collective known as Abraham is simply a group of non human beings and they are not aligned with God, they do not have light within them, and they are not spiritual guides.

I’ve touched on the topic of groups on higher dimensions who are interested in influencing affairs on earth in my documentary on Stonehenge, “Stonehenge into the Light” but the important thing here is to call is to recall how I explained earlier that sometimes it is not how people act or appear that matters, rather what is in their hearts.

While this collective are doing a wonderful job of acting and appearing good and benevolent, partly by targeting and working through genuinely good people down here on the physical plane, but they have neither light nor love in their hearts and their real goal is quite sinister, even if their message appears positive.

At that point I’m going to stop because there’s still things, there’s still a lot more to cover and time as ever is escaping us. But that’s a good point to stop and I will see you back over there in a moment.

So I wanted to get on to this question here, which came in anonymously.

You often talk about the Higher Self in your articles, books, podcasts and website pages. I feel I understand the meaning. However, I would like to know if this is something referenced historically, for example in the Bible, or whether it is more recent knowledge and understanding also and linked to this. I understand the higher Self is able to grow as a result of the many incredible incarnations of the lower self. Is there reference to incarnating many times in the Bible or other historic texts? Or again, is this more recent knowledge and understanding?

I do understand that Buddhism references birth and death cycles, brackets reincarnation, but of course this is a religion not related to God and Jesus.

Many thanks for your time and effort looking into this Mark.

I appreciate the question. Okay, so I did start looking into this a bit and I’ll share. I’ll share what I found but there’s kind of a caveat. So I’ll share what I found and then I’ll get into the caveat side of things.

Okay, so 22% of Christians believe in reincarnation, but it’s not officially part of Christian teaching. Now reincarnation was condemned at the Second Council of Constantinople in 553 AD, which means that the Catholic, you know, faith, so we’re talking religion here, condemns the idea of reincarnation. If you look at the words spirit and soul. So going back to what higher self is, it can be thought of those non physical parts that fundamentally revolve around the soul and the spirit of a person. So in Hebrew, ruah.

My apologies if I haven’t pronounced that right. Is the word meaning spirit. And it’s found in The Old Testament 389 times, but its meaning is very varied. So it might mean breath, wind, as in a breeze will. It also often refers to God’s movements or actions and it’s also known as pneuma.

And the word soul, which is nepes or nepes, is found 755 times in the Old Testament and loads of times in the New Testament. And its context is often not separate from the person. So a living soul rather than a living person with a soul. And it’s also in the New Testament often referred to as the psyche.

So what I’m getting at there is there are references to soul and spirit, but the context varies quite drastically. So you have to kind of look at the context of the words it’s in.

Now we’ve got some quotes that I’ll read out. So in Matthew 28, bear with me a second.

So I’m going back to the Geneva version of the Bible, the 1599 version here, because it’s older, so it’s less messed with.

So we’re looking at Matthew 21:12 to 13.

Oh no, we’re not looking at that. That’s not the part Matthew we’re looking at. Bear with me. We’re looking at Matthew 10. So Matthew 10 and 28.

Gosh, this writing really is rather small. Okay.

And fear ye not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul. So the simple point there is that in that quote it’s drawing a difference between the body and the soul and it’s saying that even if the body is killed, the soul isn’t necessarily killed and therefore the soul survives death.

So that’s one half of the cycle of birth and death kind of validated in that particular bit of text. And in Hebrews 9, let me see if I can find that. It’s towards the end there. So in Hebrews 9:27, it’s a big, big book that I’m having to hold here. So Hebrews 9:27 it says, and as it, and as it is appointed unto men that they shall once die, and after that cometh the judgment.

And so people take that to mean that man. So in Hebrews in a later version, the King James version, it’s translated to man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment. But when you read this version, it slightly different, it says, and this is the older version, not the oldest, but an older version, as it is appointed unto man that they shall once die, and after that cometh the judgment.

The question I would ask anyone is what does death mean?

Okay, so as you know, I can, I do all kinds of healing work and other forms of work, including clearing away negativity and stuff. And once I found myself in a situation where I was inquiring whether someone was alive or dead and I was told they’re dead. And then the person emailed me and I’m like, wow, they’re doing it from beyond the grave. They weren’t.

But clearly there was a mismatch between the information I got and this person. And I went back and, and I kind of looked into it again and sure enough, spiritually speaking, I kept on getting they are dead, but they were very much alive down here and functioning. And so when I looked into it more and more and more, eventually what came to light is that those non physical parts of them had been brought to an end because they had turned to darkness. And therefore, let’s just say there had been some form of divine intervention to prevent them from doing further harm to others, but their physical body and their brain and their personality and everything carried on. So from a spiritual perspective they were dead, but from a physical perspective they were alive. So where it says man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, does that mean the physical death or does that mean the death of something much, much higher? That that perhaps is that only God perhaps can decide and that that ties in with Matthew 2010:28 because it says don’t be afraid of those that kill the body, but cannot kill the soul. It then goes on to say, but be scared of the one that can kill the soul.

So, you know, these things all lend themselves to the idea that something transcends death. Otherwise after death, why would there be judgment? What would there be to judge if, if everything went. And then the last quote that I think is relevant is Psalm 139.

There’s a show on, I think it’s Amazon, called the House of David, talking about King David, and I believe he’s the one that wrote all the Psalms. But anyway, let’s just find this Psalm 139. Towards the end of it, I will praise thee, for I am fearfully and wonderful, wondrously made, marvelous are thy works, and my soul knoweth it well.

Because if I go back, it says, for thou has possessed mine my reigns, and thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb, I will praise thee.

So basically he’s saying, you place me in my mother’s womb. To God. It’s a psalm, it’s a prayer to God. So what this is saying is that he or this person knows that they existed before they were even placed in the womb. So what was it that was placed in the womb? That would be the soul and the spirit. So that’s the other half of the cycle of life and death. So although the Catholic or the official religion, the Second Council of Constantinople, etc. Says, oh no, no, no such thing as reincarnation, it is alluded to in various parts of the Bible, but the mainstream religion says, oh no, there’s no such thing, you know, so you have to kind of.

Well, this gets on to my next point, My, my kind of caveats. So going back to the question.

Oh, there was one other quote because you asked about other books and stuff. There’s very few.

See, there’s a lot, there’s a lot of lies buried as truth.

But there are some sources that when I’ve looked into it, the person behind them was speaking truth. And one of them is the Bhagavad Gita, which is this book here. So, I mean, there’s lots of different copies of it. So it doesn’t have to specifically be this one. But the Bhagavad Gita goes back to a time before even Jesus came, and it’s about Krishna and it’s actually about Arjuna, who is one of Krishna’s, Krishna’s only student, actually.

Here we go. So there’s some, there’s some words here, and this book talks a lot about reincarnation.

So for example, the unreal never is, the real never is not. And that’s referring to the body and the life. Down here is the unreal, and the real is the soul and the spirit and God. This truth indeed has been seen by those who can see the True. In other words, those who are enlightened, interwoven in his creation. The spirit is beyond destruction. No one can bring to an end the spirit which is everlasting. So for beyond time, he dwells in these bodies, though these bodies have an end in their time, but he remains immeasurably immortal. Therefore, great warrior, carry on thy fight.

You have to read this. It’s. Well, you don’t have to, but it’s quite interesting. But basically the battle scene is actually about the mind, how the mind can argue with itself and you can. You can’t really get truth and answers from the mind. And you have to overcome the mind, win the battle, and then you’ll start to understand the truth, which means spiritual experience coming from the heart rather than from the head. But when you’re in the head, everything is a struggle, everything is a battle. And that’s what the metaphoric battle that is described here as the literal battle is referring to.

But the Bhagavad Gita is the teachings of Krishna. And Krishna actually, genuinely was an enlightened master who was starting to shed light on the truth.

And.

Yeah, fascinating stuff. I could go into it more, but I wanted to kind of push back a little bit on the question.

So you. Where it says, I would like to know if this is something referring to reincarnation reference historically, for example, in the Bible, or whether it is more recent knowledge or understanding. So the first thing I would say is history is written by. By those in power.

And there’s a clue there. So in the meeting of Constantinople, 6th century, they said, no, we’re banning this. This is not to be discussed. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It simply means that they. Those in power religiously at the time, and don’t forget, this is all entwined with the Roman empires and other empires and stuff. They didn’t want people to know this, so they said, we’re not going to talk about this anymore. We’re going to ban it.

Okay. So that’s the first thing to remember when we’re referring to any kind of ancient books, texts, religions or anything.

Only the people that were in power got to have their say.

And this goes on to this day. I mean, communism was a good example of burning, you know, of getting rid of books and things that went against the narrative.

So those in power will always try and rewrite things. And you really want to go off on a tangent then, you know, just start looking into Tartaria and how that history has been completely removed. But the other thing Is the next part where you say, look, is it referenced in the Bible or other historic texts, or is this more recent knowledge or understanding? Part of me kind of thinks what’s, what really matters? What is the authority? Do you want the authority on these matters to be a book? You know, look, I’m, I’m, I was reading from, from this book, okay? And I’ve got, behind me over there, I’ve got four or five other copies of various versions of said book, and they’re all slightly different and they’ve all been edited and they’ve all been changed. So what is the authority?

If the authority is going to be a historic book or tradition or religion or dogma, is that the highest authority? Or is the highest authority, as is mentioned in both of these books I was just reading, if the highest authority is your spirit and what you can know beyond words through your own personal experience, then you’re aiming in the right direction. So I would say don’t get too hung up on whether you can find it right, references to something in an old book or a new book. Rather, when you come across information, whether it’s on this show or in one of my books or in an ancient book or someone else’s book, your authority should always be what your heart is telling you and what you know to be absolutely true from your own experience.

Okay? And just like out of body experiences, when it comes to reincarnation, a lot of people have some pretty amazing stories to tell about past life memories or other things that they maybe notice or find out in stillness on the inside. And that’s something I could talk about, but maybe not today. Time flies. So I push back on the question and I say, remember, history is written by those in power. So whatever you read, take it with a pinch of salt or understand the bigger context. And what do you want to be your authority. Authority on the matter? It’s good questions. I’m not denying the questions, but bringing it home. Spirituality is about what you can know for yourself.

So I do thank you for your questions.

And now we’ll go to Q and A in the chat if there are any questions. And I’m aware that there’s a few seconds of lag, so I will give us a chance. But just looking through the chat username, what was saying that I’ve had an ob and Marigold Zera is saying the Hidden Messages in Water by Dr. Masaru Imoto.

I think that must be the name of the book. But I’m, I’m, I think they’ve done other Books as well. But thank you for sharing that. So I’ll give it a moment. If there aren’t any questions, then we will call it a day. But hopefully I hope that this has given us a different tact from usual where we can look at evidence that everyone has to hand and that still maybe cracks open that nut. A little bit of spirituality and helps people who aren’t necessarily where we are or where you are to start their own inquiry by saying, hey, have you ever seen this and have you noticed this and have you seen this scientific paper talks about, about this? What do you think that means from your own, for yourself and from your own experience? And does that suggest that maybe there’s more to us than just our physical body? Interesting stuff, you know, if we can meet people where they are, then it makes it more comfortable for us and them. You know, this is hopefully just a different way of looking at things. And why, why am I saying this?

Because if you come from the heart and if you’re a good spiritual person, then you want to help people. So let’s explore different ways of doing it so that you and I can be even more impactful in the lives of those that we care about and love. So, you know, it’s, it’s 10:30.

Thank you for joining us. I can see that it doesn’t look like there’s going to be any questions tonight and that’s okay as ever. If you got questions, you can contact me links in the description etc go to the waybackgroup.org or you can go to zaretti.com and reach out to me and we can include it in the next show or a show down the line. But for now I will just simply say, look, it’s been a real pleasure. There’s going to be obviously a part 2. I don’t know if it will be next week. There might even be a part three, who knows. But for now this is discussing spirituality and I really appreciate you giving your time or listening again on the podcast. And I’ll simply say wherever you are, God bless you and keep on making good choices.

So this is the first bit of kind of bonus content that I wanted to share with you. So near the start of this podcast. I talked about the burden of proof and I actually said that it was something we’d revisit or that I would challenge it.

And the kind of implied burden of truth, or forgive me, burden of proof was that the burden is upon the spiritual person to prove to the non spiritual person that spirituality exists.

And I wanted to actually challenge that. Because if that’s the assumption that we’re operating from, then by default, as a spiritual person, we are on the back foot from the very beginning.

But what you’re starting to see from today is that there is already a lot of evidence that is right there that is also accessible to everyone.

And also, you just think about kind of folklore and the other systems, including religion, have talked about this stuff for millennia.

And really, then the burden of proof, since the massive backdrop of human existence is predicated on spiritual law and spiritual traditions and kind of mythology and stuff, then perhaps the burden of proof actually rests with the people that deny it, since they are denying a vast heritage of information.

But we don’t want to get into the kind of almost blame stance in this. So we don’t want to say, well, they’re to blame for not believing it. It’s more to come from a compassionate stance.

But to take a step back and say, what. What beliefs are we taking into the conversations in the first place? In other words, do we feel apologetic for being spiritual?

And do we feel like we are perhaps carrying that burden?

So it’s. What I’m trying to say is sort out your own internal ecology of beliefs. The burden is not yours, and I’ll explain why it’s not yours.

Spirituality is about that which is by nature intangible.

And so if people are operating from a kind of agnostic perspective and saying, no, there’s no such thing, you could simply say, well, based on what you can perceive with your five senses and your physical body, yeah, perhaps that is the truth.

But I’m not talking about what you can perceive in the tangible. I’m talking about what is beyond the tangible.

And you could take the stance. And since I have dedicated a considerable amount of time and have had experiences, then I’m talking from a position of knowledge through experience, as opposed to belief in the absence of experience.

So the burden of proof is not on me. I’ve done the work. I’ve had the experiences.

If you want to say that there is no such thing as spirituality, what work have you done to back that up? Most people haven’t done any. Most people who say there’s no such thing or it’s all a load of nonsense are actually saying, I believe that there is no such thing.

So they’re coming from a place of beliefs, whereas true spirituality by its very nature is coming from a place of experience. And experience always trumps belief.

And that goes right back to the idea I said near the start of. Of talk from your Own experience. Although I said don’t, I know I’ve contradicted myself throughout this. There is a time to talk from your own experience.

What I was saying at start is don’t make it solely based on your experience. And that’s why today’s podcast has given us anecdotal evidence that anyone can access to back up and further reinforce what we’re experiencing.

So really just take a step back and challenge your own assumptions about whether or not you are the one that has the burden of proof or actually having investigated it through your own experience, whether that’s meditation or simply sitting in stillness or introspection, that you have experienced spirituality in some way and therefore it is no longer a hypothesis or a belief, but is now a practical, experiential part of your life.

In which case, certainly to yourself, you don’t need to prove anything. But the other thing is we can take a bigger step back and be more neutral, which is therefore more spiritual, and say, actually we should stop trying.

It’s not our job to change anyone but ourselves.

If someone asks us what we think, what we know, what we experience, then we can answer.

And certainly we can be a beacon. And I talked about that in terms of rather than trying to push people along, pull them along, inspire them by your presence, by your brightness, by your love, by your qualities that are good, so they will look at you and go, wow, that person, whatever they’re on, I want a pint of that.

And then they will be motivated to say, how comes you’re so calm? How comes you don’t get stressed? How comes you. Etc.

So be the beacon, stop trying to pull or push people around and let go of the assumptions that you, you know, it’s like we’re not, we don’t have to be singing from the, you know, parapets.

Probably the wrong word there, but you know what I mean, we don’t need to be shouting at out, we need to be living it. And that is the greatest example. And again, I reinforce what I said earlier, the example that Jesus set. So that, that was one of the points.

And then the second bonus thing I wanted to kind of talk about was just going back to the topic on walk ins, the reason why I put that artwork up and I said, you know, credit to the artist, it’s not my own work. And if you’re listening again to the podcast, you can always go follow the link to the website and you’ll find the artwork I’m referring to.

But it was that picture of like a face within a face. Within a face, and each outer face is like the shedding of a skin.

I wanted to just draw an analogy at that point because it’s interesting. Maybe the artist didn’t realize it, or maybe they were guided in some way and we can draw our own conclusions about the source of that guidance. But what animal do you know sheds its skin?

Okay.

And certainly when we’re talking about spiritual iconography, what’s one of the most famous characters that would represent, perhaps that which is not good would be some kind of serpent or snake, and they shed their skin.

So the idea of your skin being shed to reveal the new personality within you symbolically at least, ties in with some kind of serpentine.

What’s the word I’m looking for here? Some kind of serpentine energy or presence.

Not good. Okay. So I just kind of. Sometimes it’s just nice to point these little things out because there’s clues in the details. Okay. So draw your own conclusions. Maybe it’s just coincidence. Listen to your heart, listen to your guts.

And on that note, I think that’s it for today. There was one. No, actually, there was one other thing, and I’ll bring it up. So I referenced Krishna, and I have a lot of admiration for Krishna.

And Krishna is a genuine ascended human.

And therefore I kind of alluded to this near the start. I believe that as someone who is enlightened, I can be aware of various things.

And let’s just say that I have an awareness of Krishna.

However, Krishna down here has become a kind of a pseudo deity, a focus of worship.

And if you were to have direct communication which he, you know, that’s not what he’s doing, but if you were, then he would be the first to say, there is God and that is the focus of your worship, and he would acknowledge Jesus as well.

So historically, some things that were good and pointing us in the right direction, which Krishna was doing, have been incorporated into systems of belief to distract us from the truth that they were trying to explain.

And obviously, over time, these things get muddied. So I just kind of want to do a bit of a control, alt, delete, reset on who and what Krishna is and genuine person and would be one of the first to say, make God your goal. And as ever, when I say God, I’m not referring to anything religious.

I’m referring to that which is one thing everywhere, which is the cause of all that is good and which transcends space, time, and all of the physical proofs and scientific proofs that we’ve been talking about today.

On that note, Boat.

God bless and I’ll see you next week for episode 63. I look forward to it.

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