Episode Synopsis:
Before we look into spiritual black hole that is an AI Jesus in Church, reminiscent of Cyberpunk 2024 we first explore receiving healing. What is the wisdom on being selective about who gives you healing? Can some people do more harm when they try and heal you? And if so why? This brings up a deeper understanding of the difference between a negative and a positive person. Then we fully explore the “Cyber Jesus”; abomination or cool tech? What’s the spiritual perspective on an A.I. powered rendition of Jesus being used to give confessions in Lucerne Switzerland.
Episode transcript:
Good evening, everyone. This is Mark from The Way Back group and this is Discussing Spirituality the Live Show. And you’re probably joining me on Rumble right now. It’s the 5th of December and we’ve got a quite an interesting one this week. Someone sent me a video of what can best be described as cyber Jesus or an AI Jesus. So that’s what we’re going to be looking at today. I’ve got mixed feelings about this. I’m sure you have as well.
But before we get into that, I wanted to let me just bring up the right thing here. So I wanted to talk about something to do with last week’s episode. So we’re on episode 39 this week and last week we looked into healing. So let’s go over what we’re going to look at. So the two main things healing again. But I want to add some more information that came after last week’s episodes. A good question got asked and so I want to kind of expand on what we did last week. But if we, if you didn’t join us last week, don’t worry, you can play catch up on the podcast or on Rumble and watch the video. But I’ll give you a very quick summary before we dive into that. And then the next thing is this kind of cyber Jesus 2024 thing which is I think quite shocking and worrying really.
Certainly. Well, we’ll get into that. But yeah, let’s dive in straight away with the healing thing. So a quick recap on what we did last week. You’re looking at a graph and across the bottom we’ve got various healing kind of interventions and modalities. So different ways of basically improving your well being and your healing. And if you, if you’re not able to see this screen at this time, then what we’re looking at here is a culingk pendant and there’s a picture of one on the left which was really what provoked this exploration. And then we’ve got things like intention, positivity and as I list them, these are going up in strength. So intention, positivity, breath, meditation, self love, self blessing, self healing, affirmation, barefoot walking, blessed by another prayer and state And I did go into that last week, but really what came out was that the state that you’re in, in other words, how much you’re embracing your spirituality and being present in the moment, non reactive, non judgmental, all of these good things really has one is the thing that stands out as having a powerful impact on your overall well being. But all the other things are worthwhile as well.
And certainly prayer is the second strongest thing. Now what I didn’t really, I touched on it, but I think it might have gone over people’s heads a bit. It was just a comment I made last week was about the, you know, when we’re talking about prayer and state the two, the main ones, I wanted to really expand on what I said last week. So if you think about it in very simple terms, prayer is recognizing that God and, or Jesus, you know, we’re not referencing things from a religious belief point of view, we’re talking absolute. So that which is one thing everywhere, that which is the cause of all that is good, that which is beyond time, beyond limits, beyond edges, quite frankly beyond being defined, that that’s what we’re referring to as God. And it truly is that which is good. And then Jesus, who, irrespective of the stories or anything, it is indisputable that there was someone called Jesus. And my own spiritual journey and exploration beyond kind of the mind and you know, beyond the limits down here, in other words, having attained enlightenment, having a much broader view of things that are not really not bounded by limits of this body and this brain and things like that, and not limited purely by time either, that I can attest to the fact that there is something that is Jesus, that is good, that is God, that took on human form and is very much relevant today as it ever was. And so when I talk about Jesus, I’m not talking about some historical character written in a book. I’m talking about something that is real, as real as anything else, beyond the physical.
And so when we talk about prayer, we’re praying fundamentally to Jesus or to God.
That’s really it. I mean, in some traditions they pray to Mary, but you could think of that as simply as. And Mary will pass the message on. Now if you have studied the Bible, then there is something that both Mary and Jesus in common and that is that they both ascended, which is different from just dying and then returning. So, but we won’t go into that too much. It’s just that there is some validity in the idea that people might pray to Mary. In other words, she’s that which isn’t physical, ascended. And you could say, well, then all that she was, that was not the physical, the soul, the spirit, and all of those good things is still around as well.
But the point I wanted to make is when we. When we think about prayer, prayer is acknowledging God and Jesus and basically saying that, help, help me because I recognize the goodness of you and the intrinsic power that comes from God, because all that is good comes from God. And healing would be one of those things. Guidance would be another. So people don’t always pray for healing and wellbeing. They maybe just be praying for guidance, and that is equally valuable.
So how does that relate to state? Well, Jesus as a spiritual teacher showed the way. He didn’t so much talk about it, he alluded to it. He used parables and he put things in a way that were very down to earth for people. So he’d use parables of sowing seeds and things like this to explain principles that were much greater, but in a way that people could tangibly understand. Now, what he was doing was showing the way, literally the spiritual way. So when you’re being in state, and this is the point I wanted to expand on, being in state is putting into practice the way, the way that Jesus taught. In other words, putting into practice the way of being, not necessarily thinking or doing, but beingness. So all of these things that we’ve talked about a lot over the various episodes, about what it means to be spiritual, so being more neutral, less reactive, not simply responding to things that happen in our life, but sitting in that stillness so that we can not react and therefore create an opportunity, a space for wisdom and insight and intuition to drop in so that our actions can be guided by what’s higher than us. And there is nothing greater than God. The Source, that which is one thing everywhere but between us and the source is what is often referred to as the higher self. And so the state of spirituality is also a state of being much more receptive to that higher guidance, which you could say comes from God, Jesus, and then lower down, from your higher self and your higher self, as I’ve explained it.
Put a link, but there’s a book, in fact, there’s a picture, this one there, which is Spiritual Life Explained. And I talk about the relationship between us down here and our higher self and ultimately God in that. But basically think of it as a cascade of wisdom, compassion, kindness, and guidance. And when we are in the spiritual state, then we’re more receptive to that guidance and to all the goodness that comes including healing. And that what this graph shows us in terms of the impact of these various things is why is it that state, the last one, is so much more impactful?
Well, it’s because when we are in state, then we are embracing the teachings of Jesus and starting to be that which Jesus was pointing us towards. And the greatest example of it is also Jesus. So Jesus was living it. In other words, follow my example, follow my lead. Now, I’m not advocating or suggesting that any one of us could be as truly great as Jesus because Jesus is God, whereas us good humans, we are of God. But it’s like we’re still good because all that is good came from God. God didn’t create anything bad, okay, but there are things that have free will, that use their free will to do bad and to do wrong. But that doesn’t mean that it’s intrinsic in us. In fact, to be human is such a. An amazing gift and such an amazing blessing because we have the capacity to embody what the qualities are of God are. And I’ve talked about this. As you know, the way we evolve spiritually is by through experience, making good choices. So that when we’re confronted with, say, a challenge, we can either go into ego and react in an ego way, or we can go into, like, being more in our spirit and our soul and our heart, and through the guidance that comes when we’re there, react in a more positive, spiritual way. And when we do, it’s like our qualities are enriched with that experience and we become more good, more godly. In other words, it’s not that we’re becoming God, but we’re starting to embrace and demonstrate what it is to be God. So the reason why, going back to last week’s graph, that being in state is more powerful than prayer is prayer is appealing to Jesus and therefore, or appealing to God and therefore asking for intervention. Whereas state is being that stillness that transcends the problems.
So when we’re praying, there is, which I highly encourage people to do. And again, I don’t mean religiously, I mean from the heart, simply appealing, which comes from humility and recognition that there is nothing greater than that which is the cause of all that is good. When we pray genuinely, sincerely, then it’s basically just asking for help in a good way. And that’s acknowledging that what we are in the physical is down here, is below.
When we go into state, we’re starting to move towards that threshold, towards that line. And so state will always trump prayer, but they’re both valuable. So hopefully you got what I’m trying to say? I’m trying to say that whereas prayer is saying we’re separate from that which is the cause of all that is good, state is aspiring to move towards it. And that is why state is greater. So that was the first thing I wanted to kind of add to last week. But there is more. But before we do that, I just wanted to welcome some of the people in the chat. So we’ve got Marigold Zero. Good evening, Mark. Good evening everyone. Joining all you all from Kent. Scottish bird says hi, Mark. And username what gives us a wavy hand. So hello to the three of you and to everyone else. And if you’re watching again, then hello, thank you for joining and those who are listening again on the podcast, thank you as well. The numbers are going up, by the way, people listening on the podcast. That’s really nice to see. And from the numbers, there’s more people watching this show on Rumble than are subscribed. So if you’re one of them, don’t miss out. Join. You know, it’s free to subscribe and if you install the Rumble app, then you, you get notifications so you don’t miss an episode. And also it means that you can get involved in the chat as well. So all good things.
So let’s talk about some more good things, because one of the obvious things that didn’t come up in this healing discussion last week was the question about, well, what about receiving healing from others? Because one of the things I listed in there was self healing. And as you can see, self healing was at a level where it was similar to affirmation in terms of its impact, but it was less than prayer. So just FYI, all of the things that I listed were ranked on a scale of their percentage in comparison to prayer, and that’s why the prayer tallies with 100%, whereas state was about 136. I believe I could go back, but and Q link, for example, was just over 40. Intention was around about 32, I believe round about that level. So everything is in relation to the impact of prayer. And just in case you missed last week, what I’m referring to here is a good spiritual person. So when a good spiritual person does these things, then what is the impact on them? And I draw that distinction because obviously if someone is choosing a life that is dark or hedonistic or in their ego or deliberately doing things like dark magic and things like that and perhaps is denounced or rebuked Jesus through their own choices, then they’re not really going to be able to benefit from any of these things because all that is good, including healing, comes from God. So the caveat is that what I’m showing you in these kind of arbitrary scores are based on a good human being, you know, with spiritual potential. Okay, so, but what wasn’t on there is, well, what about if you receive healing from others?
So let’s put that right now. So here’s one scenario and what we’re seeing here is I’ve drawn a dotted red line well below the zero mark and I’ve put the word negative next to it.
And that’s actually at minus 34%. So what that means is compared to say if you were to pray for help and your prayer was sincere and genuine, you know, and you’re praying for a healthy outcome, this wouldn’t just be so if a negative person sent you healing, it would actually make you worse. That’s what that’s saying. It would cancel out 34% of the prayer or it would be minus 34% impact. So in other words, when someone who is negative sends someone who is good healing, even if it’s well intentioned, the impact is negativity. In other words, they don’t receive healing energy. They receive the opposite of healing, which is harming. Now it doesn’t mean necessarily that they intend to harm, but it’s simply energy exchange. So it’s someone who is very negative, very dark. They might not even realize that they are negative and dark. That’s the first thing that needs to be understood. They’re not sitting there wallowing in their darkness going, I am a negative, dark person.
But it just could be that that’s what they are.
That’s how they’ve grown up.
They, you know, their hobbies, their things, they give their attention to their beliefs, all of these things. The net effect is that they are actually dark, you know, and negative of energy.
And so when they say one of their friends who, you know, if they have a friend who is good and there is a certain element of they might not because like attracts like, you know, birds of a feather flock together. But just supposing that they wanted to heal someone, the impact on you or I would be that they would actually make us worse. And that’s without them intending it to be negative.
Okay, so I guess the take home message from that would be be wise about who you ask for healing from. And if someone offers to give you healing, be wise about whether or not to accept it. You know, you could politely say, no thanks, I’m good I’ve prayed, or I’m taking a different approach. And you know, there’s any number there, affirmation, self healing, self blessing, self love, prayer going into state, etc. So that’s the first thing that’s quite surprising, that there can actually be a negative impact.
The next one then is, okay, so if a person is neutral, so what I’m referring to here is someone who isn’t necessarily spiritual, but they’re not. They’re not bad, but they’re not necessarily good either. They’re just going through life neutral. Okay, now how do we understand what I mean by neutral? Well, you could say that the net effect of their beliefs, their thoughts, their attitudes, their actions, their internal dialogue, their energy, their, the nature of their soul, their spirit, etc. Is that there is no negativity nor positivity. They’re just sitting there. So this is different from spiritual neutrality. Not to be confused. This is me, if you, if this is me kind of saying, if there was a scale that you could kind of like plug in a voltmeter into a person and go, oh, look, this person’s minus, this person’s neutral, etc. So, and again, just as I said with the negative people, neutral people won’t necessarily know that they’re neutral. Most people don’t sit there and assess themselves. And even if they did, they wouldn’t necessarily have the ability to gauge this. And there’s, you know, you’ve heard me say in the past, jesus knows what’s in your heart. I would add to that and say better than you know yourself.
And so unless someone has an expressed intention and desire to be a better person and is working towards that goal, then they are by default, whatever their default is. And so some people are born. And look, try and imagine it like this. If you were born to a very negative set of parents in a very negative environment, then unless you invested effort and energy to overcome the natural vibration that you picked up, you’re unlikely to change from the vibration you’re born into.
Similarly, if someone’s born to very spiritual parents, then they naturally would be surrounded by those very good positive energies.
And I have to draw a distinction here because when I say spiritual, I know that that will probably evoke all kinds of ideas in people. And one person’s idea of spirituality might not be the same as another’s. So in a simple way of clarifying, I would say, look, spirituality is the desire or the love. Keeping it really simple is a genuine love of God, of Jesus, and a desire to be closer to them and more like them. Okay. There’s a lot of other stuff that falls under the umbrella of spirituality, numerology, astrology, crystal work, mandalas, mantras, and all of this stuff. And most of it I’ve done and years ago, it’s probably not that long ago, maybe one or two years ago, but it seems like a lifetime ago. I did a video and I believe the title is something like, I’m sorry to tell you, but that might not be spiritual. So I’ll put a link to that because that really clarifies up a bit about what is spiritual as opposed to is perhaps exploring non physical dimensions, but not necessarily with a true spiritual facet to it. But what I’m getting at here is, so even people that maybe consider themselves spiritual might not be positive of energy. They might still just be neutral. Or if they’re doing certain things that some people think of as spiritual, it might actually be having a negative effect on them and their energy might be negative. So it’s really hard to know.
But I think that we all have something called intuition. We all have an awareness of things and you could just call it gut instinct. And sometimes that’s all we’ve got to go on. Okay. Unless you have the ability to look into these things a bit deeper. But going back to this, so if a neutral person, someone that is net zero in terms of their energy orientation was to give you healing, then it would be about 14% the impact of, say, prayer. So you would get some benefit. Okay, but not much, but it’s nice you get some benefit. So following on from that, logically then, if someone was positive, what impact would that have? So by positive I mean a person who is their net energy is good. So they generally, if you look at all of their thoughts, all of their ideas, their beliefs, their actions, what they spend their time giving their energy to, in terms of TV, radio, music, etc. Then their net energy is positive. But this doesn’t mean that they are spiritual, nor does it mean that they have spiritual potential. It simply means that the net balance of their energy is positive. And there are a lot of good people like this. So if they were to give you healing as if you know, you being a good, a good positive person yourself, then it would be about 36% the impact of prayer. Okay, so what about if someone that was truly spiritual, so what I was referring to in that book, about someone that’s in touch with their higher self and is genuinely, sincerely working on themselves in a conscious way to become more spiritual, perhaps they’ve read the book about the six virtues and they’ve been following some of the stuff that we talk about and therefore they’re sincerely seeking God, welcoming Jesus and God into their lives. Again, I’m not referring to religion here. And this, this is the lovely thing, I think I talked about this right back in episode one, that you know, there’s, there’s typically, most people think there’s two ways of looking at it, that you’re totally, you’re religious and you’re bought into that, or you’re agnostic or atheist and it’s all about science. Well, I’m saying that there’s another way and it’s that you can have Jesus and God in your life but not be religious. And it’s called spirituality. Okay. And spiritual people might also be religious, and religious people might also be spiritual. But hopefully over the episodes you’re starting to wake up to the fact that being religious doesn’t make you spiritual and being spiritual doesn’t make you religious. And that one is about belief and one is about experience. Okay, so going back to the graph then how does this relate? So what if a genuinely spiritual person, so you know, they’re fully, well, no one’s fully awake, but they’re more awake and more receptive to their soul, to their spirit, and they’re coming much more from their heart and they’ve welcomed God and Jesus into their lives.
Nice, just well rounded human beings. What if they give you healing? What’s the impact of that? And so the impact of them giving you healing would be about 87% the equivalent of a, the impact of a prayer. And if you look at that on the, on the screen, then that’s higher than being blessed by others going barefoot. Affirmation, self healing, self blessing, self love, breath, meditation, positivity, intention, and cue links. So what a gift it is for a genuine spiritual person to send you healing.
And I think if you’re thinking down the line of, right towards the start of this, I said, look, be careful who you let. You know, if someone offers healing, I wouldn’t just jump at the opportunity. The video I said, where I said, look, I’m sorry, that might not be spiritual. Will help you understand who in your world is more spiritual.
But remember, even if they are a spiritual person, it’s still more impactful for you to have a prayer basically. So it’s lovely if someone sends you healing, but there’s always that self empowerment and what a wonderful thing, it doesn’t cost you anything. No one needs to know you’re Doing it, you could do it anywhere. So there’s nothing really. There’s nothing that can be done to you or where you can be put where you can’t pray. Okay.
And that’s quite nice to know because it means you’ve always got that opportunity, by the way, going right back to the negative one, the bottom line that’s shown on the screen, then.
Oh, let’s go back. So, right.
Why is it that it has an impact? Well, there’s actually two main reasons. Why does it have a negative impact? There’s two main reasons, and I kind of alluded to this, but I thought it’s helpful to know why. So you are better informed so you can make better choices. So when someone who is very negative, perhaps they’re even dark, you know, I refer to sometimes dark or evil. These are different kinds of energies. And it depends on where someone’s coming from. But let’s just keep it simple. If someone’s very negative and they go to heal their intentions, it kind of creates an energy bridge to you because they’re focused on you and their intention is to send something, but because they have nothing good in them, what they send is bad. And that’s why it actually affects you. So when a good person sends you healing, then healing energy flows and that healing energy comes through them, not from them, but through them, because all that is good comes from God. And we’ve talked a little bit about how healing energy and love, there is a relationship between them. So if someone’s not capable of love, then they’re not capable of healing. Now, anyone who’s below the line of neutrality certainly is not capable of love. It doesn’t mean that they couldn’t be if they sorted themselves out. But you can’t be in tune with your heart, listening to your soul and your spirit, which is being guided by God, and be deeply negative. To be negative, you need to have.
Well, it’s a matter of fact that someone who’s fallen below that line either started off that way or they’ve been.
They put their ego first. And there’s many different facets to ego, so we shouldn’t jump to any kind of judgment there. But it basically means that the spirit, the soul, is not in charge and ego is in charge and they are going in the wrong direction at that point, they’d be shut down to love, so they wouldn’t be receiving it and they wouldn’t be able to send it out. And so that’s why they come do healing. But the other more sinister thing that goes on is that because their energy is quite dark and bad, then they will naturally attract non physical forces and beings and entities and things that are themselves dark and bad. And so if you imagine, if you’re a good person, okay, and say someone at work or wherever one of your clubs or groups or circle of friends happens to be quite a negative person, and then they’re focused on you because they’ve heard that you’re on. Well, so they think, oh, I’ll do a good deed and I’ll try and I’ll give them some healing. Then the dark things go, hang a sec. That dark person is focusing on that good person so we can sit in them and channel our own bad energy using their intention. That bridge that’s being connected, we can hijack it and pump our own dark energy down there. And so that’s another reason why good intentions might be hijacked.
So I would be very careful, my guidance. And this is how I live my life. I don’t ask for healing from people and I don’t let people know if I need healing.
There will be a few people who I’ve known for a long, long time. And I’m lucky because I can look into these things and I can kind of find out where someone’s energy is at. But I generally wouldn’t ask for healing anyway because I understand that state and prayer are so much more powerful. But if I was, if someone was offering me healing, I would politely decline unless I knew them to be a very good spiritual person. So that’s kind of where I’m coming from.
But I would say use your own gut instinct. Now there is another line, another dotted line which I could draw on here which would be even higher. But I think I’ll keep that one at bay for now. And maybe, maybe so there’s one. A couple of the forums that I run for people who are sincere followers of the Way Back, I might put it in there about there’s an even higher level of healing. But I just wanted to keep it kind of generic for now. So what I’ve shared with you so far applies to, you know, all good people and positive people, neutral people and negative people. And yeah, I think, I think it’s fascinating.
And by the way, there is a parallel. A while back I talked about how someone who’s a really good person, so this person would be on the good line, you know, the top line there had set up some crystals to send healing to someone that was unwell and that which wasn’t very good hijacked those Crystals, reprogrammed them and used it to send bad energy. So it’s not just whether the healing is being done directly, but for example, in this other case, where it was being done via the medium of crystals. And generally I don’t advise people to use crystals anyway. They’re so low vibration, you know, they can, they can be aesthetically pleasing and make a nice gift, but when it comes to healing energies and things like that, they’re too low. And that’s partly because humanity is evolving and our own vibration is raising.
So fascinating stuff.
I’ll just welcome Rachel B. Jones, who’s also joined. And she says, hello there. If you know. I’m not sure what the if you know is referring to. Maybe you’re referring to something I’d said in. Earlier in the episode. So if you want to expand on that, please do. If it’s relevant. And as ever, if anyone in the chat has any questions, like quick fire questions, then just put question mark, question mark, question mark and fire off your question. And I’ll.
When we get to the end, or if it’s. If there’s a good break point, I’ll just answer your question. And look, if you’re watching afterwards or you’re listening to the podcast, write in the comments if you’ve got any questions, or just go to thewaybackgroup.org and follow the links and you can ask a questionnaire or go to the contact page and it’d be lovely to have your questions because this live show is for everyone, not just people who perhaps are already familiar with what we’re talking about. But if this is your first time and you’ve got spiritual questions, you won’t be the only one. And I’m grateful to the people that have the courage to get in touch and ask questions, because I can guarantee that if you’ve got a question, then chances are there’s other people out there that would love to have the answer to that question as well.
And Rachel B. Jones has just said, I started a question and you immediately answered it before I asked. So there we go. That’s what that was referring to. But yeah, let’s have a look at the next thing. Which accidentally flashed on the screen a few minutes ago. So I got contacted via telegram and anon asks, well, they kind of give me a statement. So in a church in Sweden, Switzerland, there is an AI Jesus being used in the confessional box for people wanting to confess. This was shown on UK national daytime tv.
Not only are humans being replaced by AI, now Jesus brackets and Therefore God are being replaced by AI A horrific thing even, even the non spiritual brackets. I think presenters could see this is opening up Pandora’s box, even if they didn’t explain why. So anon then goes on to say my question is actually at that point, how about because they very kindly recorded. So they from their phone, they recorded their TV screen. So let me just share this with all of us in case some of you are wondering what we’re talking about. If I just click a few buttons, bear with me then let’s see if we can bring this up.
So this was from Loose Women in the UK and I’m going to. So apologies about the quality. This is someone holding a phone and recording their TV screen created a heavenly hologram, an AI powered robo Jesus that church goers visit to confess their sins.
In a corner of Lucerne, an ordinary little church is the site of some miraculous technology. Meet AI Jesus. Peter’s Chapel is a new pioneer of artificial intelligence. In the confessional of all places, instead of a priest, penitents are greeted by cables, computers and tech worth several thousands of euros. And on the other side, Jesus likeness appears on screen.
The scriptures teach that certain roles are defined within the church. Each role and task has its place in God’s plan. How can you promote peace and harmony in your life?
Bad, bad shivers of horror.
Bad, bad shivers of horror. I’d agree with that. So yes, AI Jesus weird to begin with that really. So I’ve actually been to Lucerne in Switzerland as well.
So this was a screenshot from that video. And this is some of the artwork that I think someone’s created. Looks like it’s been created with AI. It’s got that kind of look about it. And so what’s being depicted on the right there is this AI version of Jesus.
So perhaps I can highlight it. So oop, let’s go to my.
So you can see that the arm is made out of metal and back and the hands are completely robotic in this rendition of Jesus. And even the neck is robotic.
And the only thing really that is supposedly human in this picture is the face of Jesus and the hair.
Everything else is machine. That’s what’s being depicted here. And they’re sitting at the confessional booth.
So if I go back to this, the other half of the picture is this lady supposedly very happy with this interaction with a robot Jesus. Now obviously it’s not a robot. In reality, what’s in this church is a computer screen behind. So behind this if I don’t know if you’ve ever been to confession. If you’ve not been to confession, then it’s like a little. Two little wardrobes, and between them is a screw, is a wall with a little screen, like a wooden mesh. So the priest sits in one half, you go into the other half. So. And it’s all very dark in there. And you can just speak through this mesh. So you can kind of see them, they can kind of see you.
The idea is you can talk in private. No one else can hear you unless they’re standing right outside. And they call it a confessional booth.
And so that’s the original idea was, you know, and you confess your sins and then the priest says, well, say three Hail Marys, say the Our Father, and then you’re forgiven.
There’s a lot we can and will say on that as well. But what’s happened now is that this human to human interaction has been replaced with human to machine. Now take off these headphones.
I’ve already spoken about the fact that on higher dimensions, good people.
So by that I mean in various traditions, you may hear mention of things like ascended, ascended masters. I refer to them simply as ascended humans. And these are good people that have become so good in life that when they died, they escaped the karmic cycle of birth and death, birth and death. And one of the perhaps more famous ones would be someone like Saint Germain, and another would be. So I don’t know if you can see this. This character behind me. There’s a candle there and there’s a statue next to it or behind it. And that’s Quan Yin, who is quite an ancient character who’s one of the first human, well, women to be enlightened. So she’s pretty special. And she’s another example. Now these.
On higher dimensions. So when I talk about people on high dimensions, I mean people that have died and they’re now active on higher dimensions doing good, none of them have anything to do with technology. They know of it, but they abhor it because they know the truth of what it is. And in the Stonehenge documentary that I did, I kind of talked about the origins of Stonehenge and who’s behind that, and they’re not good. And how they use technology to travel between higher dimensions and down here, and that they’re deliberately pushing technology out there to enslave us. And the kind of the apex of their technology is AI. And so I did a video about AI where I basically, it was a bit of a fun video. I’d never used AI and it was the Only time I ever touched it. And I just really wanted to kind of demonstrate a little bit about it. So I went on chat GPT and asked it questions about spirituality and showed that there’s no originality.
But it also did admit that AI is a threat to humanity. And, you know, you can just search is AI a threat to humanity? And even AI systems are telling the experts that it’s a threat to humanity. And the people that developed AI are telling us that it’s a threat to humanity. So my point is not. Not whether it’s a threat down here, but my point is more spiritual.
Now, the obvious.
What I find disgusting about this premise here is that disregarding whether or not confession was a good idea or is even good, the fundamental principle would be that you sit in one side and a person who represents God, who represents the teachings of Jesus, who is a good person, that’s the theory, sits on the other side. So what you’ve got there is not only two people, physical people, two brains, but in theory, you’ve got two souls, two spirits, two auras.
And if they’re both good people, then they’re both being guided by God. And when two people get together with good intentions, then goodness can happen. And, you know, if there is sincerity in both of them, then perhaps Jesus would. Jesus would even be aware. And, you know, one thing that we all need to understand is that the truth of forgiveness is that it is only by the grace of God that someone is forgiven. So if God is not witness to it, there is no forgiveness. Now, God knows what’s in your heart, so you can pray for forgiveness, but you don’t need a confession. You don’t need to speak to another person for that to happen. That is between you and God. When it comes to the idea that a priest could forgive you or you confess your sins and they are, and you’re absolved of them or forgiven again, I don’t know if that. Well, that isn’t the spiritual truth of the matter. Now, what I understand is that this whole idea, this puppet show of you on one side and the priest on the other side was contrived by the group that. That stem from the Council of Nicaea. So we’re talking a few hundred years after Jesus had been around. And it seems like the idea behind it, I haven’t really done a deep dive into this, but my initial kind of exploration into this is that it’s all about control. In other words, if you confess to the local priest what you’ve done wrong, then the priest has power over you. I mean, it would be like handing, it’d be like volunteering your dirty laundry to a blackmailer, that you would put them in a position of power over you. So you wouldn’t voluntarily do that. But people for 1700 years, 1800 years, have been encouraged to tell the Roman, you know, I know certainly my background is Roman Catholic. I can’t attest to other faiths. But, you know, go and tell the Catholic priest what you’ve done wrong. Of course, that person is not Jesus. That person is not God. That person is fallible. They now have knowledge of your wrongdoing, which gives them power over you. So my understanding, whether it was intended that way or not, is that the idea of confession creates power in the Church against the people and it puts you in a position of weakness. Now, the idea of the priest is that the priest is supposed to be representing Jesus or God. But what I’ve already referred to, if you look at the healing graph, was that your ability to pray directly to Jesus and God is one of the most powerful things you can do for your well being. And it’s the same for seeking forgiveness for when you’ve done wrong and see and praying to be forgiven. In other words, you don’t need to go to confession. You don’t need that at all. That’s a creation of man, which puts one man above another.
Okay, but now we’re in a situation because at least if there were two good people in that booth, then there was the possibility of goodness. But now we’re in a situation where you would go into that booth and you would confess to a computer, to an AI system, what you have done wrong. Now, just from a practical, common sense point of view, if that system is recording, which it probably is, and is connected to Tinterweb, which it probably is, then what? You’re confiding what you’ve done wrong to a system that could be hacked, or even if it’s not hacked, could be malicious. And suddenly a recording of you confessing what you’ve done wrong is being digitized. And you know what they say is once something’s out there, you can never get rid of it. Okay, so from a common sense point of view, it’s ridiculous. And yet the pundits reckon that people will actually be more open to a computer than they would to a human being. But the other thing is, this is blasphemy. I mean, whether you’re religious or not, and I make it clear, I’m not religious, I was brought up Roman Catholic. But I’m spiritual. So I’ve replaced belief with experience. Okay. But I empathize with good people who have faith.
And there is a lot in faith. And I did a video on faith, so I’ll put a link to that as well. But this is a computer with the likeness of Jesus.
Yeah, someone’s just said in the, in the chat that this AI Jesus, that is blasphemy, surely. Yeah, this is exactly the point I’m making. So they. This thing is the likeness of Jesus, but it’s not Jesus.
So if. Take a good way of resolving whether something is good or not is always to take it to absurd. So if Adolf Hitler sat in a booth with a cardboard cut out of Jesus’s face and said, well, because I’ve got his face and a wig on, so he’s got the same hair, and said, right, well, I’m now, I’m now identifying, you know, to use modern parlance, I’m now identifying as Jesus. Jesus. Okay, well, wouldn’t that be absurd?
And yet who knows what the motivation behind the AI system is? And I’ve already said that on higher dimensions, the AI, the notion of AI is considered one of the most horrendous dark technologies, the worst of the worst. So if that’s how those who are closer to God perceive AI on higher dimensions, then I think it’s not only blasphemous, but it’s spiritually damaging to.
You know, if you went into that booth to confess your sins, you are committing a heresy. You are committing a blasphemy because you’re accepting that false idol, that it is literally the worst thing, representing itself as the best thing. Okay, so again, like though, that which is good on higher dimensions abhors technology. And the highest of the technology is AI. So it literally is the devil’s work. It is satanic work. And it. And I can’t attest to whether the people involved in this down here, you know, you could, you could see the justification. You could imagine them sitting around the table and saying, hey, look, this will engage with modern people and people will love it. And it will get more people into church and it’ll get more, more people into confession.
Really. I think that anyone who uses this facility is either not thinking or they’re not really Christian because it’s just wrong. It’s wrong on so many levels. Now, most. I don’t know if everyone understands how AI works. So it also helps just to have a quick understanding of the mechanics of AI. So it’s probably a large language model. So if you Imagine that you’ve trained the AI system on the Bible and on movies about Jesus and all of these things. So it’s familiar with the patterns of how Jesus would have spoken or what Jesus would have said. And it’s probably been given a whole load of books to do a Bible study and stuff like this.
Now here’s one of the big gotchas.
If a good person was sat in the seat where the AI is now sat and a good person was confessing and maybe asking for a bit of guidance, then there is the possibility at least that the person, the priest, could be guided by their higher self, could be guided by Jesus and God to say the right thing.
But all this AI is going to be able to do is based on patterns, based on information. It’s already got repeat, parrot fashion the appropriate phrases. So there’s no possibility of inspiration, there’s no possibility of higher guidance, there’s no possibility of warmth.
Okay, so there’s no value really in what’s being done here other than engaging and colluding in one of the worst deceptions possible that dark technology is portraying itself as the greatest, the beacon of light, Jesus.
So this is why I say if someone considers themselves religious and has a love for Jesus, they really would need to do a bit of soul searching as to why they would collude in this. Now let’s go back to the actual question, because there was, there was some question, there was more to the question. So the question is, how do good humans encourage an end to this type of covering up of the truth with the use of dehumanizing on spiritual technology? Aside from not engaging with it? Thank you. Well, I think not engaging with it is the primary thing, but also what we’re doing right now, talking about it, I’m giving you my opinion.
Doesn’t make it right, but at least if you’re thinking about it, you can move it from the unconscious to the conscious. How do you feel? How do you think? What’s your gut feeling about this? And then look, if you’re watching the show and you’re religious, then you’re in a position to speak to your church, speak to your priests, say, look, I find this distasteful, I find this appalling, I find this sacrilegious.
Maybe write a formal letter challenging it and saying, not in our church, and put the priest under pressure because they answer up the chain. It’s like, treat it like any other organization. What you’re doing is wrong. We’re the customers, we’re unhappy.
Imagine if everyone boycotted that church. What if it spectacularly backfired and no one used it? And not only that, but they all wrote letters and they all complained, you know, and they all go to the church down the road, you know, and maybe then whoever was responsible would have to answer to the people and say, okay, look, it was a mistake. And then they would have to make a statement and say, okay, maybe we have to acknowledge that AI should never be used in these. In these situations. I mean, AI is being fausted upon us in so many aspects of life. But we can oppose it. We can say no, we find this distasteful. We find this wrong. So there’s lots that we can do, but number one is don’t engage. Number two is created the discussion as we’re doing here.
You know, I. I bet you most people hadn’t really thought about it. They just see it as a gimmick.
And some would have thought about it, and some would probably have been, you know, sold the. The spin. Oh, this will get more people in through the door. This will make it easier for people to confess. But I would point out the spiritual bankruptcy of it and that there is if, as I said, there aren’t two souls in that booth, there’s only one. There aren’t two spirits in that booth. There’s only one.
There is no communion. There is no healthy interaction.
So whatever the premise of confession was, it’s been destroyed by this. It’s cold. It’s no longer a living thing. It’s now a dead thing.
So marigold0 is saying in the chat that absolutely nothing good about this huge distraction. You know, you might think this is just trivial, but the bigger, bigger picture here is. And I think it’s.
Well, I know I can say I think. But I’ve looked into it, and I know that there is a satanic influence in the background.
It’s quite brazen, really, if you think about it.
AI, the flagship of evil and dark technology, All Dimensions, is now portraying itself as the Christ, as Jesus, as the savior of humanity.
You know, the artwork right at the start, I actually let me bring back the original artwork. So the artwork right at the start was Cyberjuicers 2024. Now, that’s actually a play. Some of you would have got the reference to this. So there’s a computer game called Cyberpunk 27, 2077. And so I’ve kind of used a similar style of writing to say cyber Jesus 2024 to draw the analogy and the comparison that this game, again, it has dark roots Even though most of the people involved wouldn’t have even realized that the idea came from somewhere. And it came from somewhere. That’s not good. The game glamorizes body augmentation. So all the characters in this game, it’s set in the year 2077, people have cybernetic arms. I don’t know if you can really make it out in this picture, but they have like, no, that won’t work.
They have, like, robotic arms, robotic legs, their eyes have been changed and there’s no one really normal anymore. They’re all machine cyborgs. And, you know, this is the satanic goal. And it’s almost like, right, they come and edit from computer games. They’re brainwashing a generation through fun and entertainment to accept the premise that humans can be made better by technology.
You know, and at the same time, it goes deeper because in the game, the main character that you play starts having their memory replaced by a. The memory of a dead person. And that person’s voiced by Keanu Reeves.
And so their own memory gets mixed in with this other person’s memory. And so that’s actually challenging the whole premise of who are you? What’s your identity? And stuff like this.
But here, here they are, and they’re doing the same with Jesus. They’re, you know, replacing Jesus with a cyborg imagery and literally a computer. So they’re coming at it at different angles, and it’s the same message, the same satanic message that humanity needs to be replaced with technology.
So I would say, wake up, people. This is. This is just another facet of the war of darkness against good, of light versus evil. Etc.
Someone has said in the chat that question mark, Question mark, question mark. Would love to hear more on trying to avoid AI as it’s like a tsunami in our lives at the moment. Moment. So I don’t think AI is going anywhere, but I think that people need to start maybe thinking about it in terms of pushing to have their beliefs valued. In other words, I believe that AI is actually bad for people, bad for human interactions, bad for society, a threat to humanity.
Therefore, you know, it’s like there’s certain religious groups have certain rights because it’s their beliefs, you know, and the classic, everyone will attack Christians because Christians are peaceful. There’s certain religious groups that never, you know, people live in fear of even criticizing or commenting on. Okay, so what if. What if more and more people like that said, no, we don’t like AI, it’s ungodly, you know, then they’d soon have an issue on their hands. But I think that what people could do is, for example, you could, if your, if software that you use forces you to use AI in an update, write to the manufacturer and say, look, I’m opposed to AI. I think it’s wrong that you force us to use it. You should have an option where we can switch it on or switch it off and the default should be that it’s off and it has to be a choice to activate it. That’s one thing that you can do. I try and use software that doesn’t have AI. I won’t buy a phone if it’s got AI. You know, the. If and when my computers break and I have to update them, I’ll not be buying operating systems that have AI in them. Most modern phones and most modern laptops have AI chips in them. But there’s, there’s an interesting guy, Braxman, who does, talks about privacy and how you can avoid AI and stuff like that. So there is information out there and there are a lot of people that are against it. And also education because it’s understanding the difference between AI and AI agents and all these things, which is well beyond the scope of this show. But I would say get informed and then use your voice. Maybe find other people who feel the same and say, look, actually this isn’t just I don’t like AI, this is, it goes against my spiritual beliefs, you know, so if I was at work and they were saying, right, you have to use AI, you know, I’d say, well, okay, are you saying that this is now my job? Okay, well I feel very uncomfortable using AI, therefore I’ve got a choice. I can change jobs or I can push back and you know, etc. But look, it is a scene. I mean, a lot of people are going to lose their jobs and new jobs will come up and you know, the work. We’ve been through this before with the closure of the coal mines and when horses were replaced by cars and it wasn’t the end of the world, but AI is different.
It is an ungodly abomination.
And I think that people need to start seeing it as a weapon being wielded against humanity by the forces of darkness. Because that’s genuinely, you know, I’d encountered AI on higher dimensions in a non physical way before I encountered it on the physical plane. So I knew it was coming, you know, and if is anyone else not bemused at how one minute it wasn’t really there and the next minute it’s in everything you know, this has been the plan all along. Okay, so there is a spiritual battle of good versus evil. And I alluded to this in the previous few episodes, that the battleground is you, you know, and it’s, you know, you could say it’s like trying to win you over to what is wrong. So draw the line on the inside. Decide what you are willing to accept, what you are willing to not accept, and then stick to your guns.
And there isn’t a one answer fits all. In every moment, in every choice that we make, there is one choice that will take you closer to God. And there is another choice, the opposite, that will take you further away from God. And sometimes it may seem trivial, but where you have a choice, you can exercise that choice. And I know, look, if your job depends on it, etcetera, you might not have a choice, but you still have choices.
So I would say treat each choice like a chess move. Does this move me closer to God or further away from God? And that is the fundamentals of soul growth, of the spiritual journey in that respect. So, yeah, I’ve, I’ve, at this stage, kind of, we flagged it up. I think we can’t resolve this in this chat, but hopefully I’ve opened your eyes a little bit to, to this particular thing and, you know, if nothing, you know, we’ve drawn a line in the sand and we’ve stuck a flag and said, like, this is wrong.
Let’s see what’s next. But for today.
That’s all for today, folks. I really appreciate you spending time and hopefully some good has come from this discussion.
As ever, these questions are based on you guys. So thank you for the people that took the time to send me the videos or ask the questions. And I just wanted to. We’ll just wrap up. I just wanted to share something else. So if we go here, just in case. Someone was asking me the other day about, oh, where’s that question? Which episode’s that in? If you go to thewaybackgroup.org and you go to Free Online Resources, as I’m showing you, which is in the menu at the top, and then Spiritual Live Show. Then in the submenu, you’ve got what have I missed? And that takes you through to this page and it lists each episode with a link to the actual episode and then the various questions that were asked. One of the tricks is if you do control F, then you can search for something. Use the search facility within the page to find whatever you’re looking at. For example, I mentioned crystals. So if we want to find where else we’ve talked about crystals.
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Episode notes:
00:00:34 Discussing Spirituality Live Show Introduction
I introduce the show and explain we’ll be looking into this A.I. Cyber-Jesus but also some additional information following on from the 10 ways to heal yourself from Ep.038. For those who haven’t listened to Ep.38 and to refresh all our memories, I do a quick recap of the key points on healing.
00:02:55 Why Prayer & State are the Strongest Healers
Talking about God and Jesus in a non-religious way, I also mention Mary and “Ascension”, I explain the difference between praying, and being in state. One is appealing to God the other is becoming more Godly.
00:12:33 Explaining why Not All Healing is Good
What happens to you when you receive healing from others? Does the state and energy of the person giving you healing have an effect on the healing you receive? For comparison I evaluate healing from a very negative person, a neutral person, a positive person, and a good person. What it means to be truly spiritual and ways you can go about it.
00:33:10 Cyber AI Jesus
The shocking story of an A.I. powered cyber/robo Jesus in a church in Lucerne, Switzerland. I explain why this is so damaging to humanity from a spiritual perspective.
00:54:07 Parallels with the Cyberpunk 2077 game
I reflect on how there are parallels between this real-life cyber Jesus and the game Cyberpunk 2077, which indoctrinates and programmes people to accept the cybernetic enhancement of the human body. It also touches on the topic of identity and memories.
01:02:21 How to find previous questions
I show you how to see previous questions.
Links to resources mentioned in this episode:
- Link to the original Rumble live show video for this episode: https://rumble.com/v5wdih5-ep.039-cyber-jesus-a.i.-and-healing-051224-discussing-spirituality-w-mark-z.html
- This Podcast: https://thewaybackgroup.org/podcast/ep039-ai-jesus-blasphemy-dark-tech/
- Ep.038 10 ways of self-healing: https://thewaybackgroup.org/podcast/better-health-ep038-spiritual-healing/ which is also available as video: https://rumble.com/v5u2t18-ep.038-spiritual-healing-and-qlinks-281124-discussing-spirituality-w-mark-z.html
- The “Spiritual Life Explained” Book: https://mybook.to/SpiritualLifeExplained
- I’m Sorry to Tell You That Might Not be Spiritual: https://thewaybackgroup.org/articles/i-am-sorry-to-tell-you-but-that-might-not-be-spiritual/
- Ep.001 Talking about Spirituality versus Religion: https://thewaybackgroup.org/podcast/ep-001-live-show-discussing-spirituality-with-mark-zaretti-intro-spirituality-beliefs-parental-responsibility/ a topic which is also covered in this podcast: https://thewaybackgroup.org/podcast/43-for-the-love-of-god-and-jesus-beyond-religion/
- Crystal healing hijacked by dark forces podcast: https://thewaybackgroup.org/podcast/ep-016-crystal-healing/ or video: https://rumble.com/v54303x-ep.016-universal-love-crystals-inspiration-270624-discussing-spirituality-w.html
- Ask your questions here: https://thewaybackgroup.org/free-online-resources/live-show/ask-a-spiritual-question/
- Stonehenge: Into the Light Documentary: https://thewaybackgroup.org/tv/2023/01/21/stonehenge-into-the-light/
- ChatGPT says Artificial Intelligence is a threat to humanity: https://thewaybackgroup.org/articles/chatgpt-warns-ai-is-a-threat-to-humanity/
- Cyberpunk 2077: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk_2077
- Rob Braxman who is a pro-privacy tech guru advocate: https://rumble.com/c/robbraxman
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