
Episode synopsis TL;DR:
We explore the truth about Pope Leo XIV hours after he was confirmed as pope. Pope Leo DCLXVI? This episode wasn’t planned and it wasn’t scripted. It was however a response to a deeper spiritual calling allowing higher revelations to come through. What I reveal might surprise some, while for others it might their suspicions/concerns. But either way my goal is to shed light on this new pope. I ask the same question as I did of Pope Francis, who does he (really) serve?
Episode transcript:
[00:00:09] And what you’re about to hear is a bonus episode. So I’ve called it episode 58 because it follows immediately after episode 57. And basically this was not planned, not scheduled or anything, but I felt a great need to do this. I was kind of driven by, let’s just say, some more profound, you know, guidance.
[00:00:32] And this was filmed a few hours after I’d finished episode 57, so after midnight on the 9th of May, 2025.
[00:00:45] And so I’m providing it here as a kind of a standalone bonus episode, as I said, unscripted, but I think very pertinent and relevant to current affairs. It’s to do with the new Pope.
[00:00:59] And I really only had a little bit of time after episode 57 to kind of look into this and I started to get a lot of information coming down. Some of it I couldn’t share in the podcast, but what you’re about to hear is what I shared live in the very early hours of the 9th of May. And. And so I hope you find it interesting.
[00:01:23] Hopefully it will provoke more inquiry and people paying more attention to who these characters are that place themselves as spiritual custodians of humanity on earth at this time.
[00:01:36] Enjoy this episode and I hope it opens our eyes, all of us.
[00:01:47] And look. Hi, this is Mark from the way back. And I was not planning on doing this particular broadcast. This was.
[00:01:59] Well, this wasn’t scheduled. So if you watch my show each week on a Thursday, I normally broadcast between 9 and 10pm Sometimes I run a bit later, but it’s now.
[00:02:12] Well, the time is now, actually. What is it? It’s half past midnight. So although it is now the 9th of the 5th, 2025, to me, it’s really the 8th of the 5th. It’s a continuation of that day. And I’m. I’m here, I’ve got no script, but I’m here because I was compelled to do this and I’m not really sure where it’s going to go, but I said in the. In the live episode that I’ve just finished recording, maybe, yeah, two hours ago that I just got news before I came into that episode that we’ve got a new Pope. And because I was giving it my attention, I started to get snippets of information. That’s kind of how the process works. I was starting to bring down stuff, not so much words, more concepts, and I didn’t have time before the last episode to kind of do any real work into that.
[00:03:16] But the reason why it’s two hours later is I’ve just been doing the spiritual work to bring down more information and to, yeah, see where this goes. And my, what I said at the end of that episode was, which was episode 57 was look, I’m gonna look into this and if it’s, if I’m, if it’s the right thing to do, if I’m guided to do this, then I will go live again and share the information because sometimes I think things are very much of the moment and it’s, it’s not for me to question the bigger picture, it’s just for each of us. It’s our part, if you like to play our part.
[00:04:03] And so I had a strong sense that I needed to look into this and I’ve got, I’ve got notes down here, I’ve probably got black ink on my fingers because I tend to, I’m old school, I prefer to use a proper, let’s see if we can get this in shot. There we go, a proper pen.
[00:04:21] But you do end up with ink all over you. So I’ve been making notes and I can share some of them. Some of it is information that I’m not going to share publicly, although I may allude to it. And by way of caveat, what I’m sharing is spiritual insights, therefore nothing that can necessarily be backed up or proven. And therefore it’s merely, and let’s just say I’m sharing speculative opinion for entertainment purposes only.
[00:04:55] If I say anything, I say it as an opinion speculatively and not as a fact. And I have to say that caveat because of the parties that we are potentially discussing and the, you know, even though Rumble is a free speech platform, I think it’s wise, you know, because we’re dealing with very powerful groups and organizations here. But as ever, look, although this isn’t the official spiritual live show, I’m here in that capacity to discuss spirituality. And yes, we are live. I don’t expect anyone to be joining us because I haven’t announced to anyone that I was going to do this.
[00:05:40] And yeah, it’s outside of the normal hours. So most of the people that watch my show are UK based and it’s well past their bedtime time and normally mine as well. So I’ve just got the, the end of my coffee which is cold but needed. So look, we’re just going to press on. Obviously we’re going to be talking about the new Pope, Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost, who is now Pope Leo, the some, some number X1V.
[00:06:15] Now let me, let me just gather myself Like I said, I don’t have a script, more just an insight into things. So this is the guy we’re talking about.
[00:06:30] Bit of a contrast from Pope Francis and I did.
[00:06:34] So if you’re wondering why I’m on, this kind of thing about popes is, you know, many people consider them the spiritual figure on earth, representing God, representing Jesus, and we’re not religious.
[00:06:49] The way back is very much about spiritual experience.
[00:06:53] I do acknowledge God and Jesus and have a lot of love for them. And I very much see Jesus as the greatest spiritual teacher that has ever lived. But beyond that, he is God incarnate.
[00:07:04] So he’s not one amongst many spiritual teachers. He is the one true spiritual teacher. But I’m not religious and that may confuse people, but religion is believe a particular doctrine, whereas spirituality certainly what I’m talking about is open your heart and know through experience rather than belief. Belief is a stepping stone. We’ve got to get past that stepping stone and we can then start actually be. So when we talk about spiritual states of love or grace or compassion or humility, then it comes down to being these things, not just believing that they are there.
[00:07:45] So, slight tangent that I’m on here, but basically it is a spiritual matter to discuss the passing of the Pope. And So in episode 55, which you’ll find on our website and I’ll show you on here how to get to that. So if you. Everything’s free, by the way, so I’m not trying to make any money here.
[00:08:04] Free online resources, Spiritual live show and then go down to the live show podcast or you can also get to it from podcasts here in live show discussing spirituality podcast and episode 55, which is on the 24th of April. I’ll put links in the description later. But basically we looked into Pope Francis in that episode and as the title says, is it Right hand of God or Satan?
[00:08:32] When I started to reveal some of the stuff and you can see I’ve got a lot of links to various things. And when I started to reveal the symbology, the serpent’s head in the Vatican, certain acts.
[00:08:50] This may actually even be a Masonic hug that I’m showing you right now. If they’ve got five points of contact and then recreating biblical scenes, but blaspheming in how they did it and certain potential acts of God where statues were struck by lightning on. On key dates and you can watch that episode, but basically on the Satanic cross that was held by the Pope.
[00:09:16] So the last Pope didn’t come out looking too Good, because this is a story from fundamentally of good versus evil.
[00:09:27] The last Pope certainly did not appear to be good from the evidence that we explored.
[00:09:33] And, you know, new Pope, is it a new hope or a false hope? That’s what we want to investigate.
[00:09:43] Now I’m gonna share some of the spiritual insights I’ve got, but I also want to try and be as evidence based as possible, which is not very easy when we’re talking about information from higher dimensions.
[00:10:00] But what do we know? What do we know about the Vatican? We know that the Vatican holds the largest library of esoteric knowledge on the planet. That they are very powerful and ancient organization, and that they certainly understand things like geometry, numerology, symbology.
[00:10:18] Their own.
[00:10:21] You know, you can see a lot of symbology even in the dress, the different colored caps and the, I can’t remember what this stuff’s called, the embroidery in these garments that they wear, and even the cross, everything is symbology, just like any secret society.
[00:10:40] Now, this guy is said to be very middle of the road. And what do we know about him from reading, you know, and you can go to Wiki, I’ll put links to all this stuff. And I don’t want this to be like just me just reading out websites, but I’m just trying to establish a few things. So look, the big thing here is that Pope Francis, the one that came before, was very pro woke, pro.
[00:11:08] A lot of stuff that fly kind of flew in the face of traditional Christian values. So LGBT inclusivity, you know, but literally at a level where it was disrespecting the beliefs of Christianity and therefore very controversial. This guy seems to be very.
[00:11:36] What’s the word? Traditionalist, conservative, maybe in his expressed opinions. So the new guy is.
[00:11:45] Doesn’t support the ordination of women, whereas, you know, he opposes euthanasia and abortion. He spoke out against things like LGBT and same sex marriages and stuff. So he’s very much aligned with traditional Christian values, which is quite interesting because the last Pope was quite flamboyantly the opposite.
[00:12:12] And so on the surface, it looks like the pendulum is swinging back from the perspective of the more conservative side of the congregation that this guy is going to bring about perhaps more traditional values in the church and stuff like this.
[00:12:32] So the first one of the, one of these aren’t in the order I got them, but one of the bits of information I have been given, given is that this guy is likely to carry on the one world religion agenda of unifying all the different religions and continuing the work of Pope Francis, who was himself, I believe, continuing the work of Pope John Paul II of having these interfaith meetups where you end up seeing pictures like this, where you have the.
[00:13:05] Let me just show you the Pope, you know, the Pope kissing a Muslim or the Pope washing feet. The feet and kissing the feet of Muslims. In other words, you know, each for their own. But that’s like oil and water trying to mix in terms of their beliefs because the Muslim faith denies that Jesus was the son of God and denies that Jesus died on the cross and rose again, in other words, denies some of the cornerstones of Christian faith. And here you have the guy that’s supposed to represent Jesus, the feet of a belief system that is against and opposed to Jesus. And so, you know, the new Pope will most likely carry on that agenda of trying to create a one world religion, which again, I talked a lot about in the episode 54, I believe it was.
[00:13:58] Let’s have a look at the number episode 55 and how that is actually one of the goals of the the end of times, new World order. So anyway, so on the surface, he looks like he’s going to be much more of a traditionalist, but the truth is that the big agendas are going to carry on just probably be done in a more moderate way or a different pose or justified in a different way. So that’s the first thing.
[00:14:26] Now, another bit of information I got is that is he new hope?
[00:14:31] You know, if a lot of Christians are celebrating that this guy is going to restore the faith in, you know, bring things back to how they should be, he’s not. He’s false hope. Deliberate, deliberate false hope.
[00:14:48] Someone said something interesting on tangential, but they said that the dark forces overplayed their hand with COVID and they actually caused a lot of people to wake up because they went too far.
[00:15:00] And in a way, what’s happening with the last Pope is he was too flamboyant in his support of very unchristian things.
[00:15:07] And so that actually polarized a lot of people against the Church, including people who were of the Church. And so what they’re trying to do is they’ve overplayed their hand with the last Pope. So they’re trying to bring in the moderate Pope to win back or give false hope to people.
[00:15:24] But it seems, and as I said, this is all looking into it from a more neutral spiritual perspective, in other words, bringing down information.
[00:15:38] It seems that this is deliberate to orchestrate more division. So let me explain.
[00:15:44] The old Pope was very much aligned with the liberal world, woke Left in America, there’s been a power dynamic shift that actually takes a lot of power away from the elite. Although the people involved, you know, the new president, the old president, they’re all, they’re all actors on a stage.
[00:16:03] But they didn’t expect the, the establishment, the elite didn’t expect the current president to be there.
[00:16:13] And so they need to weaken the, the right hand side.
[00:16:19] And in order to. And when they look at it, they go, okay, well, it’s a lot of conservatives and traditionalist Christians, Catholics, so what we need to do is break them up.
[00:16:30] So this Pope is already outspoken against Donald Trump and his vice president.
[00:16:39] So there’s friction there.
[00:16:41] And that means that. But he’s a lot more mainstream, traditional in his Christian Catholic views that he’s expressed publicly as an actor on a stage. And so now you have this dichotomy where you have the people who are on the right who supported Trump, who supported Vance, who were against the WOKE movement, now have a religious leader who they agree with because he’s more traditional, more conservative, but he’s opposed to the political leader that they support. So that’s going to create friction because do you support your priest, your pope or your president?
[00:17:21] And it’s a deliberate strategic move and note he’s the first American Pope because America is the power base at the moment. It’s also the seat of the global, kind of like things like the new World Order and stuff like that. Although it’s not there, it’s not their throne.
[00:17:41] You want to look in Kazakhstan for that. But it’s their power seat at the moment because it’s still one of the dominant powers. And so they’ve appointed an American who is going to create friction because he’s so.
[00:17:58] How can I put it?
[00:17:59] Middle of the road. When someone’s extreme, it’s easy to reject them or, you know, it creates a different kind of division. All in or all out. This guy is very middle of the road, very traditional. So he’s, he’s going to create division within the right hand side. That’s one of the reasons why they’ve chosen him. So he’s not going to be a unifier and a beacon for the people. He’s there to create more friction. Now, I refer to him as another actor on the stage. He is controlled and he knows who he serves. And he doesn’t serve that which is good, that which is God. Okay, now he won’t publicly admit it, but give it time because as the last Pope showed with his let’s find the photo because it’s quite compelling.
[00:18:51] With his satanic bent cross, the black cross or the satanic cross, and his welcoming key symbols into the Vatican and things like that, in other words, and the symbols of his actions. Give them time. They will show you who they are.
[00:19:13] You know, I’m not here to prophesy, but I have it seems, it seems that some things are likely. Let’s just say that. So there’s something very interesting that I wanted to.
[00:19:27] Let’s not download that to share with you. And this is the coat of arms of the papacy of this particular Pope. Okay. And they understand symbology. It took me a while, but I kept on being drawn to this and I couldn’t figure out why.
[00:19:45] And it took me a while to kind of find some of the coding in it.
[00:19:49] So I’d like to share a few insights just for interest.
[00:19:56] And you can draw your own conclusions because, you know, I think you’re probably intelligent enough to do that, so. Well, I think.
[00:20:05] Sorry, that maybe didn’t come out across. Right. But we’re all intelligent enough to draw our own conclusions and we don’t need people to tell us what to believe. We simply seek the truth and what resonates, resonates. So I’m just going to show you this, this is the, the coat of arms for the current new Pope and I’m going to annotate it so that we can.
[00:20:34] Let’s just do a new layer here and do this one as transparent so we can pop that over the top. Okay.
[00:20:44] So, so that I can draw on this. So the first thing I want to draw your attention to is the symbology of the infinity symbol.
[00:20:54] Okay?
[00:20:57] So just, just take note of that for now because that, that comes in there is another version of the infinity symbol and it’s a serpent swallowing its tail. And if you twist it into a figure of eight, then that’s what you have because this, this infinity symbol is made by one continuous length.
[00:21:19] Okay. Like a snake.
[00:21:21] But that’s not the, the, the more, the most obvious thing once you spot it.
[00:21:27] So not an advocate of numerology or any of these systems, but occult groups use numerology because, as Manly P. Hall said, when people realize the language of symbology, then a veil of deception will be removed from them. So what I’m doing here is I’m just numbering these little tassels in these pyramid shaped things. So we’ve got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. So that’s the four layers. Now what’s interesting is if we Go back here.
[00:22:07] I might have lost that picture. Actually.
[00:22:09] The coat of arms for a cardinal only has the first four layers, 1, 2, 3 and 4. The pope has the fifth layer. Okay. So the cardinal would have 10. And the reason why that’s quite telling or interesting. Let’s just keep it at the level of interesting and you can draw your own conclusions is if you go back to Pythagoras. Let me find the right symbol.
[00:22:34] So Pythagoras is, as they refer to down here, a requirement required knowledge inside the occult Pythagorean religions. So Pythagoras is all about geometry. Freemasons, by the way, are all about geometry. They openly talk about geometry as being really important. So the tetraktys, or tetrad, is 10 points in a triangular structure.
[00:23:08] And I’m just drawing your attention to it. This is a list of occult symbols. So the tetritis is an equidistant, equilateral 10 points inside a triangle akin to the fourth triangle number.
[00:23:19] It was developed by pathragos and collector, who signifies cosmic unity in the form of the decad, as well as the music of the universe.
[00:23:27] And referring to cosmic bodies, also represents the four elements of nature. In other words, Maya, the illusion, the third dimension, the trap, as well as a dimensional organization of space time.
[00:23:41] Space time, as in one of the things, is the cornerstones of science.
[00:23:49] Remember, in God, God is beyond space, God is beyond time. So spirituality transcends that, whereas man is imprisoned within it.
[00:23:57] So learning and adhering to this is part of the occult Pythagorean religions. So the tetrad is ancient, as in Pythagoras time symbol. So when you go to the coat of arms, you’ve got the tetrad, but the Pope has an extra one. So if we go back to here, we’ve got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and then five more equals 15. Okay, so that gives us the number 15. Now if you know numerology, if you have a number like that, then you add those two digits together, 1 and 5, and you get a 6. So we’ve got a 6 there.
[00:24:35] And so we’ve got a 6 here.
[00:24:38] Okay. And then in the middle we’ve got this.
[00:24:43] There’s different names for this cross.
[00:24:46] So you can. It’s two barred cross or the cross of Lorraine, which is from kind of French origin. And you can go to wiki and you can look up all of these crosses. But basically, interestingly enough, the fleur de lis, which is also on the coat of arms is a very French thing.
[00:25:05] Now this cross is actually the handle of a sword. So if we count the points on it, then we’ve got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
[00:25:25] Okay. And then down at the end, the other point is the tip of the sword. So we got six, so that gives us another six.
[00:25:34] So in this we’ve got six, six, six. That’s the first bit of symbology.
[00:25:41] Then you’ve got the infinity doubled.
[00:25:48] And again, so it’s saying above everything is infinity above this kind of pyramid structure here, or this triangle above the geometry of the Pythagorean religions, which is all about the cosmos, the four elements, time and space. In other words, what you could point out as saying that is creation is infinite. In other words, God is above.
[00:26:23] So they’re showing that they know the truth.
[00:26:25] That’s one way of interpreting that. There is also a, if we go back to the occult symbols, one of the crosses, this one, so the sulfur cross, which is an alchemical symbol for sulfur, represents fire and brimstone.
[00:26:43] So the third pictured one, this one on the right, which is the double barred cross with the infinity symbol, is also known as the Leviathan Cross or the Satan’s Cross.
[00:26:56] So I’m not saying it is, but you could at a stretch say that the components of Satan’s cross are there. So you’ve got the infinity symbol. If it was placed at the bottom, it would be blatantly the Leviathan Cross or Satan’s Cross, but instead it’s placed at the sides.
[00:27:17] Again, just showing us the symbology that’s there or potentially there.
[00:27:22] Now the other thing that really stood out for me is down here we’ve got the heart.
[00:27:27] Now the flaming heart.
[00:27:30] Where have we seen that?
[00:27:32] Okay, so this is the Sacred Heart. If we click on this picture and zoom in a bit, I don’t know if we can.
[00:27:39] There we go. So Jesus is often drawn with his heart with a flame on top, which is his burning love for humanity.
[00:27:49] And the quite it’s sometimes depicted as the crown of thorns around his heart, that is that he suffered for his love for humanity. And the fact that the ring goes all the way around is supposed to symbolize his eternal love for humanity.
[00:28:05] So the symbol of the flaming heart or the Sacred Heart of Jesus is, should be very sacrosanct to the, you know, the Pope who’s supposed to represent Jesus. But what you’ve got here is the flaming heart of Jesus impaled with an arrow, sitting atop a closed book. Okay.
[00:28:31] And again, just sharing what I’VE been guided to understand this is. So the symbology of arrows I’ve known for a long time is magic.
[00:28:50] And when people talk about this, when people talk about an arrow going through a heart, everyone thinks, oh, cupid. Oh, that’s lovely.
[00:28:59] Pay close attention, Cupid.
[00:29:03] A supposed angel.
[00:29:05] But those fat cherubim aren’t cherubim. They’re something older called putto or putto.
[00:29:14] Anyway, I talk about them elsewhere. I’ll save that one for now. But basically, they fire an arrow through your heart, to quote, unquote, make you fall in love with someone, not necessarily fall in love with someone compatible or good for you.
[00:29:35] One of the greatest ways of wrecking a good person’s life is to pair them up with a bad person or an incompatible person. Okay?
[00:29:44] Now, if these, whatever they called cupids, were serving that which is good, that which is good is a source of love. And that which is good created humanity. And that which is good gave us the gift of free will. And yet these cherubim or putto or cupids fire an arrow through the heart of the victim, not to give them the free will, but to make, in other words, overrule their free will and make them fall in love with who the cherubim or the cupid or whatever wants them to fall in love with. In other words, they cast a spell.
[00:30:34] And the arrow, I’ve long known, is a symbol in the dark forces and stuff of magic. It’s the. It’s the pulling, the bow is the will or the energy behind it. And the arrow represents the actual spell or the curse or the hex or whatever it is hitting its target.
[00:30:57] So one of the ways that we could interpret this flaming heart that’s been impaled with an arrow is literally, you know what Jesus. Sorry, my screen’s glitching a bit there. What Jesus represents all the good, all the love, impaled with dark magic and then put atop a closed book. What does a closed book represent?
[00:31:25] Books represent knowledge. A closed book represents hidden knowledge or esoteric knowledge.
[00:31:32] So what this is saying, this coat of arms is saying that the Pope presides over because the hat of the Pope is above everything. So the Pope is connected to these two things. So look where the rope goes. It comes out of the Pope’s hat through these two infinity symbols, down through the layers. Now, you could also say that this is descending. So you go one and then two, then four. This is a hierarchical structure. In other words, the Pope sits above the hierarchy of the lower levels, the lower ranks, just like Any other secret organization, and the Pope has the secret knowledge, the truth, in other words. But the book is closed, it’s close to others. So the Pope can open the book and placed upon it is the impaled heart of Jesus.
[00:32:32] It’s showing you that the Pope does not serve Jesus. Now, this Latin in ilo uno unem. Let me bring up the Latin translation of that then.
[00:32:44] So as it says down here, the motto of this particular Pope is in ILO UNO unemployment Latin for in the 1:1.
[00:32:58] Now, everyone thinks, oh, this means Jesus or this means God, but the word, the objectifies it.
[00:33:08] I spent time in Italy and one of the.
[00:33:11] I had a friend called Bruno Bruna, and one of her male friends referred to her in a derogatory way. It’s a bit of a jibe or also a bit fondness.
[00:33:21] Il brune. The brune, it’s a way of the masculine, the man objectifying the woman.
[00:33:30] So in Latin, which is very obviously it’s the roots of Italian, to put the one objectifies it. Now, God is not an object. Objects have edges and limits. God does not have an object or limit. Jesus is God. Jesus is.
[00:33:46] You know, there is only one Jesus.
[00:33:49] I get you could say he is the one that came. He is the Savior, but this is actually a dark reference.
[00:33:59] Again, how can I prove it?
[00:34:03] I simply will lay it out in the One. The one that they serve is not God, is not Jesus. It’s the One who is the commander of Earth. So I should share the screen so you can see the Latin thing I’m referring to here. So this is the. I’ve highlighted it down here so as you can see in the one one, okay, who was it that took Jesus to a high place when he. When he was in the desert for 40 days and said, look, if you bow, bend your knee to me, or words to that effect, I will give you all of this, all the kingdom that you can see.
[00:34:53] Who could give away something? Him who rules it.
[00:34:57] And who was it? It was the devil. It was Satan. So the one down here who rules down here is not God, it’s Satan.
[00:35:10] That’s why he was. He tested Jesus.
[00:35:13] And Jesus rose above and said, no, you know, so what this Latin actually means is in the one objectified one. In other words, the one who rules down here, we are one. We all worship that one, which is again borne out in their satanic crosses and the serpent iconography in the Vatican.
[00:35:38] So, again, you know, if. If. Look at episode 55, if you. If you want a bit more info. On that, and there’s lots of links and you can go off and do your own research.
[00:35:49] I’m just sharing what I’ve been going, what I’ve been guided at this stage to, to spot, to.
[00:35:56] To find out. I’ve never seen this coat of arms. Two hours ago, I hadn’t looked at this. This is literally just what I’m finding. And so if we go back here, what we’re seeing is we’ve got the number 666 numerologically laid out, the Pope at the top, acknowledgement that there is something greater, God. But they’ve got these hierarchical structures which you could say are the different levels of the organization to perpetuate deception. And the only ones that know the truth are the ones that can open the book and then in with magic.
[00:36:31] And remember, science and magic are basically one and the same.
[00:36:35] Then Jesus’s love, in other words, what Jesus represented, all the good that the Pope is supposed to represent has been subverted or destroyed by magic and knowledge. The book that it sits upon.
[00:36:50] Now there is even more hidden symbology. What does the color blue represent? Because you’ve got this blue sitting above the book of Knowledge, sitting above Jesus’s heart, Jesus who came down here. So you could say that you’ve got blue above and you’ve got life and knowledge, and where Jesus came below. If you twist, if you twist it slightly, the blue is higher and the knowledge and Jesus’s life down here are below it.
[00:37:24] If you read Genesis, it will talk about the waters above, and then you have a line dividing the waters above from the land below. Okay, so again, sorry, I apologize. I should have had the screen there. So let me just undo what I’ve been scribbling here and I’ll show you that very quickly. So we got the blue above and we’ve got the book and Jesus’s heart. In other words, Jesus incarnated down into where we are now.
[00:37:53] And then you’ve got a dividing line. So you could say that this is the. What’s alluded to in the book of Genesis as the waters above, the blue above.
[00:38:03] So that’s this bit and then the land below.
[00:38:08] So this is the story of creation in Genesis. And, you know, you can look into that and what this plane represents and what this might represent, which is higher up.
[00:38:22] I’m just pointing us in directions where we might want to look. But the point is, if I just hide all of this, this is chosen symbology there for all to see in the Pope’s sigils, in the Pope’s emblem and they know what they are doing, they understand the power of symbology. In fact, there was a quote from one of the cardinals about the last Pope saying he understood the power of symbology.
[00:38:53] And again, episode 55. But here we go. So we’ve got the number six.
[00:39:00] We’ve got the number six, six, six.
[00:39:04] And then a whole load of symbology and Jesus’s heart impaled with magic, sitting on the book of knowledge closed. So we can’t get access to it.
[00:39:17] So that’s pretty interesting stuff. And look, I’m not going to be able to give a complete answer. Here’s the cardinal one that I was referring to. So I said the cardinal one is only four ranks and so the Pope has the fifth rank or the five below, giving it the total of 15 which resolves down to six, whereas this is 10 which resolves down to one.
[00:39:46] So that’s a slightly different. Oh, sorry, I said cardinal. That’s the Archbishop’s coat of arms.
[00:39:55] So you can look into the Cross of Lorraine and Fleur de Lis and things like this. Fleur de Lis, by the way, there’s a lot of heraldry behind it, but one of the things that it actually represents is a spearhead.
[00:40:08] And I remind us that, you know, Jesus side was pierced by the spear now.
[00:40:17] Yeah, there we go. So that’s really kind of where I’d got to with this and this. Like I said, this is. This was an impromptu live show.
[00:40:31] I just had a sense that there’s something that we shouldn’t have any kind of hope when it comes to this Pope actually doing good or being good. I think he’s a well chosen actor now. They have got leverage over him, they being the ones that he actually serves.
[00:40:52] And he. In terms of organizations, I’m not talking about the Illuminati or the New World Order. He actually is a member of a group called the Great White.
[00:41:03] Pardon me, the Great White Brotherhood or the White Brotherhood.
[00:41:09] And that’s an ancient organization. It goes back to kind of the time of Buddha if people want to look into that.
[00:41:17] And yeah, they. On higher dimensions. There’s a lot of esoteric teachings about them and how they’re supposed to be really good and they’re looking out for humanity.
[00:41:28] Yeah, less said the better on that at this stage. But basically it wouldn’t surprise me if information comes out about something that happened that he did that he shouldn’t have round about the age of 49, 50.
[00:41:46] That has had a knock on effect. So I’ve Got a lot of notes I’ve written here that I’m not going to share. But at this stage, I’d say that if a significant disclosure ever came out, it goes back to a time when he was about 49, 50, and he’s worried about that coming out, which is the fear that they can leverage because it would obviously destroy his reputation if that information came out. Now, I’ve got no way of proving it, so I freely admit it’s just spiritual gleaned knowledge that I can’t verify. So it’s just supposition or theory at this stage.
[00:42:32] But I’ve been compelled to do this little live show and you know, a couple of people have came in and out, but I really wasn’t expecting anyone to come here. But at least this is now done. And I can say, well, I’ve done my duty to share some information, maybe just point a few things out by that seems to have locked up.
[00:42:59] Point a few things out, you know, by sharing the screen and pointing out some of the symbology that was hidden in plain sight.
[00:43:08] And you know, if that’s given people questions, great. If that’s made people think, okay, well, maybe there’s more going on than we understand, or maybe this guy Mark is just off on one.
[00:43:22] You know, I’m not here to convince anyone of anything. I’m not trying to push a belief or anything. I’m simply saying that I was strongly compelled to look into this and to do it now, do it today and to put something out, even if it’s just to draw a line in the sand or stick a flag in the sand and say, well, this is the understanding I have at this time. Now, quite often when I do quote unquote work, I will go back and I’ll check it again and again and again. And I haven’t had the time to be overly thorough.
[00:43:56] But it was, it was just interesting. And I was very quickly guided to look at the coat of arms that I’ve shared with you there.
[00:44:06] And I found it quite interesting because numerology is an easy one. I mean, I don’t subscribe to numerology. I would stay away from it. But dark groups and secret groups like their numerology and in neutrality as spiritual people, we shouldn’t use things are not good, but we shouldn’t be scared of acknowledging their existence and at least understanding them. Because if we can’t see the numerology, if we can’t see the symbology, then it’s easy for them to pull the wool over our eyes. So I’m just going to put this on here to make it absolutely clear what I’m talking about. So you have 15 nodes in that triangle which resolves down to six because one and five in the 15 is six. And then you have six points on this sword.
[00:45:04] And so there is the six, six, six there for everyone to see.
[00:45:11] Coincidence.
[00:45:15] I’ll leave that to you to decide. But for now I just wanted to say thanks. Thanks for joining us. Those that dipped in and out. And if you can be bothered to watch this all the way to the end, then thank you. I hope you found it interesting.
[00:45:27] And yeah, let’s just keep on as the thing says behind me.
[00:45:33] What we’re doing here guys is we’re seeking the truth. That’s all. Nothing more, nothing less. And this has just been for entertainment. I sound like that guy on Facebook.
[00:45:46] I can’t remember his name now. But genuinely, truth will resonate. I don’t need to say this is the truth, believe me. I simply need to say, look, this is what I’m being guided to. This is, this is what I’m finding.
[00:46:01] There’s obviously more to look at. There’s more information I’ve got down here in my book that I’m not going to share at this time and but hey, if any of it resonates, then dig deeper. Do your own research. Let me know what you find. Get in touch. It’d be great to hear from you. And it’s been been a very long day. It’s now quarter past one in the morning here. I’m done. So God bless you. Good night. Keep on making good choices.
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Episode notes & timings:
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00:01:00 Explaining why I’m doing this episode & disclaimers
00:04:25 Talking About Pope Leo XIV
00:17:50 Inspecting Occult Symbols in Pope Leo XIV’s Coat of Arms
00:25:54 The Symbol of Jesus’ Flaming Heart aka Sacred Heart
00:27:11 Arrows, Cupid, Black Magic
00:35:20 The Waters Above – Flat Earth Reference / Genesis
Links to resources mentioned in the show:
- View this podcast on our website: https://thewaybackgroup.org/podcast/ep-058-bonus-pope-leo-xiv-robert-francis-prevost-satanic-symbology/
- Watch the original live stream of this episode: https://rumble.com/v6t5a2h-twb-live-ep.057-part-2-pope-leo-xiv-spirituality-w-mark-zaretti.html
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- Episode 57: https://thewaybackgroup.org/podcast/ep-057-free-will_project-satan_lucid-dreaming_higher-self-feedback/
- Episode 55 on Pope Francis: https://thewaybackgroup.org/podcast/ep-055-pope-francis-right-hand-of-god-or-satan/
- NY Times article on Pope: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/02/world/americas/pope-candidate-cardinal-robert-francis-prevost.html
- Robert Francis Prevost: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Leo_XIV
- Pope Leo’s Coat of Arms: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_arms_of_Robert_Francis_Prevost_Martinez_(cardinal).svg
- Archbishop Coat of Arms: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriarchal_cross#/media/File:Template-Metropolitan_Archbishop.svg
- List of Occult Symbols: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_occult_symbols
- Two-Barred cross: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-barred_cross
- Cross of Lorraine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_of_Lorraine
- Fleur-de-lis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleur-de-lis
- Jesus sacred heart picture: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/SacredHeartBatoni.jpg
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Pope Leo XIV’s Coat of Arms with hidden occult symbolism

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