Ep.071 The Antichrist & The Restrainer – Spiritually Decoding 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7, Understandings from Beyond the Book. Plus BONUS content: Spirituality w Mark Zaretti

Episode transcript:

[00:00:07] Join me as we explore episode 71, which was recorded on 7th August, 2025. In this episode, we’re going to be looking at a chapter and verse in the Bible.

[00:00:20] But let us just be clear, this isn’t really about Bible study.

[00:00:24] What we’re doing is using it as a tool with which to understand fundamental spiritual principles. And what we uncover, which is pretty profound, actually, is much, much older than the Bible. In fact, the spiritual stuff that we explore in this episode far outdates the Bible. It’s much, much older.

[00:00:46] And therefore it’s not really about the.

[00:00:47] Bible, it’s about what can we learn using the Bible as a tool.

In this respect, then this is about spirituality. And therefore what we’re doing in this episode ultimately is about helping us all to become more spiritual, which is a good thing.

[00:01:04] So if that sounds like something that.

[00:01:06] You’Re interested in, you’re in the right place.

[00:01:09] Now, this will all make sense as.

[00:01:10] You listen to the episode. But at the very end of this, after the closing credits, you’ll find the entire email transcript read out and that will make sense to you once you’ve listened to the rest of the episode. God bless.

[00:01:33] Good evening.

[00:01:34] This is episode 71.

[00:01:36] This is discussing spirituality with myself, Mark Zaretti.

[00:01:40] And this is a live show and.

[00:01:42] I’m really glad that you can join me.

[00:01:45] And yeah, very interesting title tonight and.

[00:01:49] What possibly could be, or hopefully will.

[00:01:53] Be a very interesting show, but beyond interesting, because I’m not just here to present interesting stuff.

[00:02:02] That’s, that’s a bonus if it happens. What I’m here to do is to talk about spiritual truth, drawing on years.

[00:02:08] And years of experience.

[00:02:10] So if that sounds useful, because the reason being that the goal here is not just to me, talk about what I’ve experienced, but to impart knowledge, wisdom, guidance, experience, suggestions, hints, tips and the like so that you can up your own spiritual gain and get more from this life from a spiritual perspective.

So if that sounds useful, then you’re in the right place.

And you know, we’re going to be talking about some pretty biblical stuff. But I remind everyone that though there is a lot of value in religion, for many people, this is a spiritual show. We’re not promoting any particular religion, nor are we religious. Although you can be religious and spiritual, being religious in its own right does not make you spiritual. So the emphasis here is spirituality.

And let me just bring up the screenshot for today, which is episode 71, 7 August 2025, and we’ve got a picture of Someone holding a puppet and the puppet has a crown on, which gives us a bit of a clue. There’s also a Greek, I believe it’s Greek word and I will apologize because I doubt very much that I’ll be able to pronounce this, but it, it may be pronounced Kate or something like that, I have no idea. But it looks like a K alpha T, some kind of an E X, O, V.

But I believe. Well, we will find out what that word really means or the difficulty is in the translation, but we will look into what that means as part of the show. And I mean you look, the title of the show, if you’re watching live on Rumble, is Spiritually decoding two Thessalonians, two Antichrist and the Restrainer. Lessons from a higher perspective.

I probably should have put lessons from higher dimensions rather than higher perspective because I’m not saying that my perspective or my opinion is higher. What I’m saying is where I was able to get information from was, was, let’s just say at a higher or faster vibration than down here.

That’s the point of spirituality, guys.

So we are going to be talking about this stuff and there is no better time to do it than now. So buckle up as they say, and enjoy the ride. But I actually have, I have something I want to ask of you before we dive in. And this, this is whether you’re live now or listening again on the podcast.

Okay, look over the last 70 or so episodes I’ve been sharing with you insights into what it means to be in state from a spiritual perspective. And we covered this in quite a few episodes. So you can just go to the website, use a search feature for state or in state and you’ll find lots of links to different things.

But in a nutshell, being in state means being present, being in the moment and being very neutral.

And there’s obvious benefits, massive benefits to being in state. And so I want to encourage us to come from state rather, which is by the way, very much about the heart rather than intellectual, which is very much about the head. Because the whole, the fundamental pillar of spirituality is love and heart based religion and belief systems are very much, much more in the head.

So from the off I’m going to say, look, let’s, let’s aim to be in state more. And a while back we did a live episode where we shared insights from nine different advanced meditators and spiritual people about how they become more spiritual in day to day life. In other words, the practicalities of being spiritual, what that actually looks like to them.

And one of the things that came up was the idea of checking in with yourself on a regular basis. So the exercise that I’m going to share with you, that I’m going to invite you to do as you watch and listen to this episode, is that every now and then when I remember to, I’m going to say, I’m going to pause and I’m just going to say check in.

And when I do that, I’m going to check in with myself and see how much am I in state and how much have I come out of state. Now it’s natural. Look, I’ve got buttons to press, I’ve got different cameras to look at, I’ve got to keep an eye on the time and everything. So there’s a lot that’s drawing my attention outwards. So it’s natural that I will be drawn out of state.

The, the gold standard would be to be like Jesus, who was predominantly always in state. And that’s why, that’s not the only reason why, but that’s how he was able to sit within his God state so much.

So as spiritual people, our goal is to sit within our state of inner stillness, neutrality, non judgment, being present not in the conversation in our head, but very much in the stillness of our hearts and yet still be able to function and take on board and understand what is presented. So whenever I pause and say check in, then I invite you to just check in with yourself and then sit back into your state again. Because if you’ve come out, it’s a good opportunity to just drop back into state so we can do that together and no recriminating judgment of self or others. You know, if you notice you’ve fallen out of state a bit, that’s natural. Don’t chastise yourself, just use it as an opportunity to get back into state. So we’ll start right now with check in and just see where you are right now and just take a moment, some people would say, and you know, take a moment to become more centered, but just drop into your state a bit more.

So what are we looking at today?

Well, we’ve got this word which means the restrainer.

And I’ll be sharing your feedback. Someone’s very kindly sent an email to me and I’m going to be sharing their email and again from state, so let’s just dive straight in now. This question actually came in in March and I’ve got a lot of different questions that you guys have very kindly sent through over the last year or so. And not Every question gets into a live show, but they’re all valid. And so I keep all the questions and sometimes I just go through them. And I was doing that this morning and this question came up and I think, like I said, it was sent over in March and I actually didn’t want to tackle this question, which I take quite often as the things you maybe feel a bit of resistance to. Where’s that resistance coming from?

So when I looked into it, I was definitely supposed to be looking at that question. So I kind of overcame the resistance.

And to my own surprise, this is a topic that we’re going to be looking at today.

And so anon asks, I was recently made aware of the restrainer, as the person telling me called it in 2 Thessalonians 2, 6, 7. It is referred to in different ways depending on the Bible version and translation. And sure enough it is because it’s based on this Greek word or these Greek words.

So quite a lot of jumping around in terms of linguistics to get to an English translation.

So the question is or questions are who or what is this restrainer?

Who is being restrained? And what spiritual significance does it bear on us now? And I’m really grateful that that last part, that third question, what is the spiritual significance?

Because I’m glad that was asked because so often we can go down the rabbit hole of looking into something, whether it’s biblical, historical or esoteric or just, you know, fringe theory.

And it’s interesting, but if we don’t bring it back to what’s the spiritual significance, then did it actually have value to do that Inquiry. So I’m really glad that the question is capped with that and is there spiritual significance?

So thank you and thank you to the person asked. Now I’ve just put on the screen the two references to restrainer that are in that particular Bible verse in the original Greek. And again, apologies, I cannot pronounce this, but it looks like if you were taken as English letters it would look like Tu kategzof and O o k zwo and what they are is one is a neuter restrainer, I. E. Neutral, non gendered. The other is a masculine restrainer.

And therein lies a lot of the difficulties I think people have with translations. And when I did a quick kind of Google search about the restrainer, just give me a bit of background context.

It turns out that what this question asker has picked up on is that this is probably one of the most confusing couple of lines in the Bible that people philosophically guys over. I don’t even know if that’s a word. But it is now and it’s open to a lot of. Open to a lot of interpretation.

So I definitely do not or did not when I started looking into it, want to get into any of the kind of theosophical, philosophical, linguistic debates.

All I took was the question at surface value and then used spiritual insights and experience to start to draw down information.

And it’s almost better that I didn’t know too much that I hadn’t studied this in any particular depth. Because when, when you, when we studied stuff intellectually, then we’ve got a lot of letting go of to do in terms of the ideas we have about something before we can actually be neutral enough.

Check in.

Talking about being neutral, check in before we can be neutral enough to be receptive enough to inner tuition intuition. Okay, so let’s just read what the particular verse that this guy’s referring to, this question asker is referring to, is.

And this is from the 1599 Geneva version, which is one of my favorite go to ones.

So six. I’m going to give you more than just six and seven because we need a bit more context. In fact, the opening context. Let me just check my thing I’ve got in front of me. So this is towards the end of the New Testament, but basically this is Paul the apostle writing to the Thessalonians, and I believe it’s Paul, Sylvanus and Timotheus, some apostles and followers of Jesus, who are writing to a church of the Thessalonians. So this is after, I believe, after the Acts, after Jesus is gone, just to give a bit of context. So.

And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

Now, that word withholdeth I’ve underlined because that is the translation of this of my mind. My. I’ve gone blank. The. The restrainer. There we go. So that’s the English translation of the. The restrainer. In other words, withholdeth someone withholding or with, you know what they are. Withholding is part of the question, I guess, but. And now ye know what withholdeth that he referenced to. The withholdeth might be revealed in his time.

There’s a lot in that straight away, but I’ll resist the temptation to explain because I will go into it more.

So that’s verse six. So seven. For the mystery of inequity doth already work.

And inequity, if you’re not familiar with that word, kind of means moral wrongdoing. So lying, deception, among other things and deeds. So for the mystery of iniquity doth already work.

Only he which now withholdeth shall let till he be taken out of the way.

8. And then shall that wicked man be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall abolish with the brightness of his coming, even him whose coming is by the effectual working of Satan with all power and, and signs and lying wonders, and in all deceivableness of unrighteousness among them that perish because they receive not the love of the truth that they might be saved.

And therefore God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe lies that all they might be damned, which believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Okay, so that’s the six, seven verses that I wanted to share because it gives more context and it’s like, here’s the problem and here’s what’s going to happen, which I think is quite interesting.

And never read it before until today. So I’m kind of grateful for the question because it gave me an opportunity to look at something new.

I’m by no means a Bible scholar and not been the focus of my spiritual journey.

But let’s now see what comes up. When you kind of take from the state, look into the meaning without. And this is not a theosophical biblical study exercise. This is asking from a spiritual state what is the true meaning of this? Or what was intended, the intended spiritual meaning.

So, and also just putting it in plainer English. So the first line, and now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

You could translate that as, and now you know the Restrainer.

And for some reason a bit of text is missing, and it should say, the one holding back the Antichrist.

I think my text box has gone wrong there, but I won’t worry about that. So it says, and now you know the restrainer, the one holding back the Antichrist, because that is referenced later, he is not yet known.

And then the next line for the mystery of inequity doth already work. Only he which now withholdeth shall let till be, shall let till it should be, shall let till he be taken out of the way.

So what this means is because deception and wrongdoing prevail, and only what the restrainer allows can be known or done until he is destroyed.

So the mystery of inequity does already work, means that the deception is already upon us, and deception and wrongdoing prevail at this time.

And only he which now withholdeth shall let literally means, and only what the restrainer allows can be known or done. In other words, only he which now withholdeth the restrainer shall let, in other words, shall decide what gets known or shall decide what gets done till he be taken out of the way until he is destroyed.

And then it says, and then shall that wicked man be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth and shall abolish with the brightness of his coming. Now, there is more to all of this. So I’ll kind of give you the. The summary of each line and then I’ll give you the bigger picture, because some of you who maybe look at this before going, you’re missing the point. Maybe not. Okay, so then it says, so then the Antichrist will arise, whom God shall destroy with his command and be abolished by the brightness of Jesus’s coming. Jesus, who is God.

So that wicked man means the Antichrist, not the restrainer.

And it alludes to the fact that the line before is saying that it’s the restrainer who is holding back the coming of the Antichrist.

That doesn’t mean he’s good necessarily.

It just means that he’s deciding when things will be done and what can be done at what time. But once he is destroyed, the Antichrist will come forth or will arise. Is important because it is, does he come forth or come from the people of earth?

And then we go on. So next line, even him whose coming is by the effectual working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, the false God brackets, Antichrist will be perceived to be God by the deceptions of Satan with fake signs, false power and deception. In other words, so the Antichrist will rise and he will make it look as if using fake power and fake signs and deception, lying wonders make it look like he is God, the one world God of the new world order, for example, and this is done by Satan’s hand. Satan also just means the deceiver, by the way.

So and then the next line is, and in all deceivableness of unrighteousness among them that perish because they receive not the love of truth, not the love of the truth, that they might be saved roughly translates as many will perish because they accept the falsehoods and the false one as God. They rejected truth brackets, and therefore God so cannot be saved.

It’s interesting, because they receive not the love of the truth, the love of truth, you’ve probably heard me say many times on this show, to seek the truth is to seek God. So to love the truth is to love God. So the love of truth is your love of God. So going back to what that says, basically, they accepted deception and they did not love God, and therefore they cannot be saved. Whatever saved means, remember. So check in.

We are not here to be judgmental, just neutral and learning.

And therefore God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe lies.

Now, that’s a very interesting one. I might go more into that. But basically, in the end, they will be subjected to great deceptions by the Antichrist, and they will choose to believe the lies.

It’s the phrase shall send them. It presupposes or suggests that some people are lacking that which would allow them to be spiritual and therefore to desire truth.

And therefore they will believe the lies because that is their nature. So, you know, again, in previous episodes, I’ve explained that some people are so far off the scale in terms of their level of goodness that they’re not even good. They’re not neutral. They’re bad and evil, and their nature is against God and therefore against truth, and therefore would embrace deception. So for them, of course, they’re going to buy the lies and revel in it and therefore will not be saved.

And then the last line, that all that may be damned, which believe not in the truth, not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

So this is important.

They are damned because they chose the deception over truth because it pleased them to go along with it.

And we should really talk a little bit more about that.

Okay?

Because it doesn’t just mean that they felt good about going along with it, that there was a hedonism to it, because that’s one interpretation, that it pleased them.

But you think about people who followed horrendous commands or instructions, you know, in. In military, for example, they didn’t really want to do what they were told to do, but they did it out of fear.

Well, that still pleases them because fear comes from ego.

So they’re still serving themselves, not the truth. And, you know, probably a little bit contentious of me to say this, but everyone that, even though I put the caveat, even though deep down they sensed it was wrong, went along with, you know, the certain sticky pokey vaccine mandate and became perhaps vitriolic because they had made the choice to be vaccinated and were critical of those that were not check in, they acted, most of them, because of the fear, but it was their fear.

The fear was suggested by the media, but they embraced the fear.

And again, the seat of fear is ego.

So this is what it means where it says that the people that did not believe in truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

When we embrace fear and are led by fear, we are being unrighteous because we are letting fear dictate our choices rather than what we know deep down to be true. And it may be subtle.

And so you have to turn your back inside on the voice of truth and to allow the voice of fear to take control.

And so it’s not just people that are necessarily hedonistic that’s being referred to here. It could be people that operate from a place of fear and deep down they go against what they know to be true.

Of course, if there’s no sense of what is true, then there’s no unrighteousness. But unrighteousness fundamentally means that you ignore what you know to be right and you do what you know to be wrong. And the motivation will always be ego, whether it’s fear or hedonism or desire or seeking power, any of those negative things. And I’ve done a long list in another show about ego, so I’ll link to that.

But again, goal isn’t to be judgmental here. And I used the modern day example of people going against common sense. And, and you know, it’s all coming out now that there’s vaccine damage and turbo cancers and certain companies lied about the effect of the vaccine on certain groups like pregnant women or children.

You know, the truth will always come out, but the truth was always there.

The sense of what was right was always there. And the powers that be knew that fear is a great motivator. So they went, they used fear to weaponize the media to get people to do what was not righteous, what was unrighteous, as it put, what’s it there to deceive people? So people in fear were deceivable because they were not centered in truth. They were centered in fear. They were not centered in love for God, which is the love of truth. They were centered in fear, love of self. Okay?

And again, that’s not narcissism. That just means that you’re scared. So you do what you think is right for you rather than having faith and trusting a bigger picture. But we are, again, I draw it back to spirituality, but I wanted to bring it to something that’s very recent and very real so that we can put what’s being described here, that’s 2000 years old into modern day context.

And because that is part of the question is, you know, is there any spiritual relevance to this.

So there’s a bit of a breakdown. Now let me go through it again with a kind of the even broader brushstroke. So there is this. This character called the restrainer, who is in control of everything, but isn’t known at this time. They haven’t been revealed, and they might not even. We might not be talking about someone that’s physically present.

But because deception and wrongdoing prevail, then they get to decide what gets done, when it gets done, and even when things like the Antichrist might happen.

But then this restrainer gets destroyed, and then that allows the Antichrist to come forth.

Now, some people muse that the restrainer might be the Holy Spirit or some benevolent force. I can assure you it’s not okay.

And if you think about it, if you had a country and it had a dictator and that dictator got taken out, doesn’t mean that the country suddenly becomes good. There’s probably the next despot waiting to take power. And so what we’re seeing here is shady characters. One’s called the restrainer, who’s in control.

When they get taken out the picture, then the Antichrist goes, right now is my time, because that guy or whatever it is isn’t there to stop me. So I’m now the dominant force. I will come forth. That’s kind of what this is really talking about here.

So the Antichrist will rise, and then God will destroy the Antichrist with his command and by the brightness of Jesus coming, which echoes the Book of Revelations to some extent.

It talks about Jesus on a horse with a sword for a tongue and things like this, which is, again, the power of the word of God.

But it warns that the false God Antichrist will be perceived to be God by those who buy the nonsense. In other words, buy the deception. So the deceptions of Satan. So fake signs, false power and lies.

I wonder if that’s just a blanket reference to anyone who’s a politician, you know, But. And then what it’s saying, spiritually, many will perish because they accept the falsehoods and they accept a false God and they reject the truth, and therefore they reject God.

So what this is really saying is what’s at stake here is spiritual survival.

What does Mark mean when he says that? Okay, look serious time check in.

What do we know spiritually? We know that this life is one of many. That there is that which we can touch the body and are aware of the brain and the sense of self within it. Lower self, we sometimes refer to that as. And then there is the higher Self, the soul, the spirit, or. And other things that are all good and that will were there before we came into this life, incarnation, and will be there after we have left this physical life, death.

So in other words, there is that of us that endures and there is that of us that doesn’t.

And when we’re talking spiritual, what matters most is what endures.

And what endures grows through the experience of what does not endure. In other words, the lower self is having an experience of duality.

You know, all these choices that we’ve got to make around us that you have to make, even how you choose to react to the information I’m giving you. You know, whether you’re sitting in judgment, criticism or neutrality, acceptance, that’s your choice.

That’s why I keep saying check in.

But the outcome of your choices is that your soul and spirit and all that is good of you either raises up or drops. And if it drops too much, suddenly you can become dark and evil.

Now, that’s what’s being referred to here in the text. It’s being referred to people that no longer have a love for God and truth, and instead they favor that information, which is deception and lies, simply because it is convenient to them, perhaps because it supports their fear or that they are motivated by fear. In other words, they’re in ego. And again, bringing it back to what we’ve discussed many times. Spiritually speaking, you are either spiritual, which means you have a desire for truth and a desire for that which is one thing everywhere, which is beyond time, beyond space, beyond measure, which we could call God, and we could also call the Source. And I’m not going to get hung up on what you feel comfortable calling it because we’re not talking about a biblical character or a man with a trident and a beard sitting on a cloud, throwing lightning bolts or any nonsense like that. We’re talking about that which was before time, okay?

The absolute.

So you’re either focused on that and a love for that, which means that you put that first, and yourself, you orientate towards it, or you focused in the opposite direction, which is ego, which is focused into self for self aggrandizement and ego is the corollary. Or, sorry, the count. The opposite of spirituality and keeping things really simple. Every choice you make either feeds the ego or feeds your higher self, soul and spirit.

So they that might be damned, that all they might be damned, which believe not the truth. So they’re all damned that don’t believe in truth, God, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. Ego so if you put ego first, you will always become unrighteous and you will also be prone to deceivableness. Because if you don’t have a strong truth compass, a strong God compass, then you are open to being easily deceived.

Why is that, by the way?

Is it simply because if you, you know, is it like a faith, religion thing? No, if, like obviously talking here as, you know, spiritual human beings, you’ve got a spirit. And I’ve said many times, it is your compass.

It is your beacon pointing the way to God.

Now, if you’ve turned your back on your spirit because you’ve glorified your own ego and you make your ego your compass, then you don’t have something that knows the truth guiding you and you can be deceived. But when you have your spirit as your guiding light, clue is it is. That’s exactly what it is. When your spirit is your guiding light, it knows the truth because it’s. Basically there’s this connection between your spirit and God, and God is the truth. So in other words, God is guiding your spirit, your spirit is guiding you, and the purpose of it is to God, which means also truth.

So when you make God your goal, then you actually do have a truth compass. When you make ego your goal, good luck, you’re going to need it.

Because you, you know, you might benefit, you might, you might be, you might gain wealth, you might gain power, but you will lose what matters. You know that that’s what’s being described in this, this text that we’re, we’re sharing here.

So it is actually highly spiritual.

Pardon me, it is highly spiritually relevant.

And I wanted to kind of carry on with this a bit to see where it takes us. So, so let’s do a thought exercise because rightfully so, if you are someone that is biblical, maybe you’ve tuned in because you’re like, what’s this guy going to say about Thessalonians?

You know, he’s not religious, he’s a spiritual dude.

Where’s he coming from? Let me do a thought exercise rather than just say, oh, this or that, because, look, any one of us can sit here and say anything.

I’ve been literally extolling the virtues of seeking the truth. So I don’t want you to believe a word I say. I want you to come to your own conclusions based on your own realizations, based on your actual experience.

I’ll just digress slightly. Got a wonderful friend.

We were having a chat about spiritual stuff and they gave me their take.

And I patiently and kindly listened and tried to give them a little bit of input, but the door was shut. And I just thought it’s interesting, you talk. In their case, you look, you’re talking to someone that’s done over 10,000 hours of spiritual meditation and has taught people since the 90s, has been doing it since 81, I think, when I was 7.

And the person talking to me has done zero hours of meditation, never been taught, and not really had any viable personal experience.

But they talked with real belief and conviction about what they thought was the truth and in their case, the dismissal of spirituality.

And I just think, and yet highly intelligent person.

So I don’t want you, and I hope I don’t ever make that mistake. I want us to sharpen our knife of discernment, to hone our spiritual wisdom, if you like.

And to that end, I want to take us on a thought exercise rather than me just say, well, this is how I know and this is what I know. I want you to draw your own conclusions based on some simple premises.

And look, as ever in the chat, if you want to ask questions or you need me to go into anything else, just do the usual question mark, question mark, question mark. And at the end, if there’s time, we’ll summarize the questions and we’ll go through them. So here’s some things to consider, because what we’re talking about here is spiritually looking into stuff. And I haven’t actually given you the real deep information yet. I’ll come back to it.

I might do it in a moment, actually. But the Bible is an account by people on Earth of their experience of events.

So, for example, the Gospels, eyewitness accounts of what Jesus did by those that literally were with him most of the time, but also of visions. So you could talk about revelations and prophecy and, for example, Ezekiel. Well, Ezekiel was more of an experience stuff.

And that was a kind of like an alien UFO encounter. I actually, there’s more to it that was a deception on a good person.

But, for example, the Book of Revelations literally is a revelatory experience that’s recounted. And Isaiah is a good example of a true prophecy.

And these are transitory and momentary in time. In other words, someone had an experience, be it revelation or direct experience, for example, of Jesus, and then they recorded it.

And that was, you know, in the case of Isaiah, 2700, 2800 years ago or thereabouts, correct me if I’m wrong.

And in the case of the Gospels, 2,000 years ago, plus or minus.

And so we’re now looking back, trying to understand that through many hoops of translations and manipulations and dare I say, interferences, for example, the work of the Council of Nicaea and things like this, to perhaps muddy the waters or just outright change the narrative.

So we’re looking at the Bible as a point in time, reference of events that were or are highly significant.

And that’s from people down here on the physical realm, the world we live in.

But spirituality happens not just down here, it happens on higher dimensions.

So the act of understanding the Bible will always be a philosophical, theological and intellectual endeavor.

What we might try and do with it might move towards the heart, but fundamentally the endeavour is of the head.

Enlightenment by contrast, is not an intellectual, head based thing, or a philosophical thing, or a theological thing. It is a state.

Check in.

So let’s look at the first person to ever get enlightened as a kind of a benchmark then. So the first was actually Krishna.

Now Hinduism, which has adopted Krishna, describes him as a personal God to be worshipped. And the worship of him would be bhakti.

And the idea being that you if through worshiping you can escape the cycle of incarnation. Now interesting because I talked about the cycle of incarnation before and how people actually escape it. And it. And it’s not through worshiping Krishna.

Okay, because. Well, we’ll get on to that.

But there’s also they describe him as the Nirguna, which means the formless God, the state.

I’ve put that in the state. So they referring to him as a formless God as well as a personal God.

So you can worship the personable part because it has an identity, but the formless part is the absolute.

So I’ve added my notes, which is Krishna is not God, but he is enlightened. And he was the first human ever to be enlightened. In fact, only humans are ever enlightened.

Now just think about this so thought experience. So we’re saying that enlightenment is a state.

What do you understand enlightenment to be?

Because I have alluded to it and talked about it in the past, but give yourself a moment just to check in with your understanding.

But it’s a state, okay, which means it’s not an experience. Although you may have an experience of having gone through the transition into the state, the state is permanent. For example, the state is the state of the absolute.

So it doesn’t mean that you are God, but it means you have the state of one thing everywhere, beyond time, beyond space. And this isn’t the same as an LSD induced experience.

It’s not an intellectual thing either. So enlightenment is as basically as close as you can get to being God, but not being God.

And it’s the state that is that. So the person that realizes enlightenment hasn’t become God. And that’s where the, the mistake or the deliberate mistake of, of saying that Krishna was a God. He didn’t really make that claim.

In fact, Krishna reincarnated and is one of the ascended, what people refer to as ascended masters or ascended humans, and isn’t known as Krishna anymore.

It’s quite funny because I’ve known people down here claim to be the incarnation of Krishna to try and gain spiritual merit. And at the same time I’m talking or communicating more accurately with who Krishna is on higher dimensions and not too happy about the people making false claims down here.

But anyway, Krishna is not God. He is enlightened, which means having attained enlightenment, he understood the nature of God and has the state of the nature of God, but he’s not God.

Okay, I’m enlightened.

The thing that you’re looking at right now, the thing sitting here has nothing to do with that state. This will die, okay? And everything that you can see will turn to dust and the state will not be touched. The state existed before I realized it will exist forever because the state is beyond time, beyond the continuum of space, time, matter, and all those things that we alluded to or talked about in another episode. So the point here is to understand that although enlightenment isn’t God, enlightenment is the. Is the. Is access to the state doesn’t make you God though, okay?

Krishna was the first.

So who gave Krishna the state?

Because on the spiritual journey of light and sound, if you’re familiar with that, there’s lots of talk about initiation, someone giving you access to the light and sound energy so that you can attain the state. And it’s a process that I sat down and went through on the physical plane. Although my understanding of what actually happened and how it happened has radically changed since having completed the journey, I’ve been able to look into what actually happened.

Because if you’re beyond space and time, then that’s how you get information, because you’re beyond. Well, we’ll get to that. But basically you can look at the past.

But who gave Krishna this state? If the state of enlightenment is to realize the nature of God, then there’s only one thing that could have possibly done it, and that would be God. Because what else is limitless beyond space and time, never created. There can’t be two Gods. It couldn’t Be God A gave Krishna enlightenment of the state of God be.

Because there can’t be two one thing everywhere. There is only one thing, one thing everywhere beyond all space, time, matter, etc. So the only thing that could have given Krishna or allowed Krishna the state would have been God.

Now Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, the life.

And he demonstrated that he is God through miracles and fulfilling 300 prophecies and said he is God as well. Now this is something that, for example, in the Quran they say, yeah, Jesus was a prophet, but they deny that Jesus died, resurrected or was the son of God.

But anyway, so you have a slight difference there. Krishna attained the state of enlightenment that gave him awareness of the nature of God. Whereas Jesus is the truth. There’s the clue. Jesus is God and the way to God and the life, okay? I. E. That which animates everything.

So taken on face value as a spiritual thing, then keeping it simple, Krishna was a human who God allowed to realize the nature of God so that Krishna could communicate it and start to raise humanity’s awareness of the truth of what God is. And then Jesus is God who came as a human to show humans how to get back to God the way.

So you have the formless, which is God, the realization by man Krishna of God and the manifestation as man Jesus of God.

So you have to ask why, you know, why did God effectively drag Krishna’s awareness to him to reveal God’s nature?

And then having done that, say, right now I’m going to bring myself down into creation as a man to walk amongst them.

Let’s just, you know, check in the enormity of that.

Just think about it. So one thing everywhere elected to bring a human close to it and then elected to become a human to be close to them.

That’s massive.

You know, it kind of is unfathomable. To what end does that suggest that we are just as science would make us believe? Specks of accidental dust where DNA miraculously came out of a swamp over billions of years, evolved through various forms into eventually monkeys and then human beings?

Or does it suggest that we have a purpose and that God literally has pulled us close and reached out in two ways to try and help us to realize something. To what end? So I ask you, to what end is all of this?

And let’s just use the word devil to represent all that is against God, all that is not good, all that, you know, like this.

What’s the name of that character again? The Restrainer, The Antichrist. Let’s just use the Word, the devil to cover all such things. Would the devil be happy about this? That God first drew a man to him and then came back as a man to tell humanity how to get to God? What does that mean? To tell humanity how to get to the God means the truth. And what does Satan mean? The deceiver.

So you have Satan and you have God.

Truth and deception.

Okay, so God is trying to get you to overcome the deception. And that whole biblical thing that we read out is basically saying if you put your love of God, your love of truth first, you’ll be saved because you’ll be saved from the deception. If you don’t, you’ll basically lose yourself to the deception, to Satan, to the devil, to the Antichrist, to the restrainer, etc.

So the next thing I want us to consider on this kind of thought exercise journey is so the process to get enlightened is initiation. That’s the start. It means literally the start.

So many people claim to be initiated or to be able to initiate.

Okay, anyone can make that claim.

Even before I was initiated, there were lots of groups making that claim, you know, and with various degrees of philosophy and whatnot behind them.

So I would say let’s just ask ourselves a question.

If initiation is the start of the process and the end of the process is theoretically enlightenment, realizing God nature, and there is only one God, and therefore there can only be one type, one true enlightenment, then can there really be multiple philosophies behind the initiation? For example, and I, I do not make this up.

Things or people claiming to be able to initiate include people who also make claims of being aliens, non human lords on higher dimensions, avatars of what starseeds through DNA activation technology, like the mantle of the master, master principles and so on and so forth. There is literally like a pantheon of things between you and God claiming to be able to initiate you, and people representing them claiming to be able to do initiations.

And you know, I’m in touch with people who own groups who contact me and say they’ve done tens of thousands of initiations, that they’re doing global initiations and things like this.

It’s not for me. So remember, check in, check in.

You can seek the truth or you can seek, how to put it? Arguments.

Just stay in state and ask the questions.

Okay? Can there be multiple philosophies and multiple ways behind true initiation?

You know, in the Bible chapter that we were reading, it talked about, you know, when the Antichrist comes, there will be a false God who will deceive people with with false power and false miracles and lies.

Now, Krishna, Krishna was about 2,800 years ago or so. Now, Krishna was the first human, the first anything, the first human to be revealed God’s nature or have it revealed by God to them.

Okay, wouldn’t that upset the restrainer and all the others whose work it is to keep you in the dark, to keep you ignorant, to keep you as one of the people who is on righteousness because you are centered in fear rather than truth, and to keep you ignorant of God. So suddenly someone knows about God. That’s a real problem.

So would you not think that maybe they would just put deceptions in place?

That if the cat’s out the bag, then let’s present initiations, but let’s control it, let’s not really initiate them, let’s do something else that maybe even doesn’t help them? And we talked about the fact that I’d been called on by members of the public to give them healing after certain types of initiations. So yes, I truly believe that there are thousands of people being initiated.

But I would say, into what, by what, for what goal?

Because if these people or things doing the initiations are, well, I get onto that.

So could anyone truly be enlightened without God’s grace?

Therefore, can those who dismiss, ridicule or deny God or Jesus actually truly initiate?

It’s a question. I’m not making any claim here.

Check in.

I’m simply using critical thinking and experience. Because obviously I’m drawing what I know on what I know through direct experience.

But you haven’t had that experience.

I can’t impart that experience as an experience to you. But I can certainly say, well, consider this.

Think about it this way.

Look at it from this perspective, and then if at least it points you in the right direction, that then you might seek the truth or overcome a deception, then at least I’ve done something.

That’s all I can do.

Because it doesn’t matter how many thousands of hours of meditation I’ve done or what states I’ve attained, that doesn’t really help you.

You have to help you. But I can maybe just clear the way of some of the deceptions and traps.

That’s what this is about.

So then we get on to this interesting point. So is the state. I’ll ask it as a question. Is the state.

Well, no, pardon me, if the state is beyond space, time and energy, etc, the continuum of reality, since it is, we’re talking about enlightenment here, is the state of God, then surely it would contain all of space and time and energy.

In other words, could there be anything or any time or any place or any one or anything that is outside of the awareness of the state of enlightenment?

And therefore, does the state of enlightenment potentially contain all information?

Okay, so right at the start of this thought exercise, I said, look, I could say anything.

Anyone can say anything. Anyone can have a camera and make all kinds of claims. And many people do.

So I don’t want anyone to just believe what I say. I want people to actually either find out by going there yourself, raise your, you know, becoming more spiritual, having realizations, being more in state, checking, but also through critical thinking and raising awareness of the fact that there are deceptions and traps to overcome.

But what it means is, as someone that is enlightened in theory, then you answer the question. Would someone that is enlightened, having realized God’s state, also, therefore, potentially be able to access any information they want by making an inquiry?

And if someone was thus able to seek the truth, would the devil try and get in the way and deceive them with disinformation, for example?

And so if the devil would deceive someone who’s trying to get information, would they also deceive someone that is seeking initiation Is a good question, because one is seeking the truth and one is seeking the light of truth.

So that’s just like a little kind of thought exercise journey, just asking questions to get us to think a bit deeper. And I’ve talked about some of this stuff in previous episodes, and, you know, you have to kind of.

Well, you don’t have to do anything I try and avoid. You have to or you should. Simply, the opportunity is there and it’s your choice. Do you want to sit with these questions and figure stuff out? But what I’m also hopefully doing here is giving you a little bit of context of when I say, well, I’ve gone inside and I’ve brought down information, you know, now I can tell you from experience, I can talk from experience, that when I first started bringing down information, it really flowed with ease.

But I wasn’t necessarily.

Well, this is the first book. So this was guidance for the Secret Truth Channel, Teachings from Higher Dimensions, which I pulled from publication because as time went on and I learned more, I started to learn that though I was dutifully receiving the information, just as the people that got the revelations that got recorded in the Bible and got the prophecies that were recorded in the Bible perceive them with a certain clarity that allowed them to perceive and record, I didn’t understand back then that there are these principalities and powers that want to keep us in the dark and keep us away from the truth. And so though I recorded the information they gave dutifully in that book, I then, over the many years and countless hours of striving to get more and more truth, started to realize that I’d been sold some lies as well and that, you know, we’ll talk about this a bit. But the best lies are the ones that look like the truth. They’re close to the truth.

You know, deception sandwiches. Two bits of truth with a lie in the middle. And that’s why I pulled that book from publication, because though the information was exactly what I was given, the source of the information wasn’t as reputable as it could have been. And I didn’t know that at the time. And so having found out, I went, you know what?

My integrity is more as a truth seeker and a spiritual person is more important than book sales.

So we’ll stop that one. Okay, so I digress slightly. I want to go back, if you bear with me, clicky keyboard and all, to just sharing. I’m going to be more candid now. I’m just going to share the facts now.

So just looking at the green and, and you can get to this if you click on the link, if you’re watching the podcast, all the images will be on the screen. And now, you know the restrainer, the one holding back the Antichrist, who is not yet known.

He is known. I’ve already talked about him, but I haven’t named him. He’s the leader that was referenced in the Stonehenge documentary.

And it’s not just him. There’s a team of about five of them. Okay? Now the Antichrist is actually his son, but not Pan. So in the documentary I talk about Pan being one of his sons. He’s not his only son. I don’t know the name that the Antichrist goes by, you know, but it’s not his.

He’s known to me as the Antichrist. That’s how I first encountered it.

Okay? And I say it because it’s not a human being. None of these things are.

You know, in the Bible it talks about serpents and snakes and things like this. And in hint, in the Hindu traditions, a lot of their gods are adorned with snakes and things like this.

And their pantheon of 6,800 gods is just describing a hierarchy of non human beings on higher dimensions.

The leader happens to be the leader of them and none of them are human, you know, so what this is actually talking about is a very bad group of individuals who are currently ruling everything down here and ruining everything.

And the Antichrist is the son of one of the leaders or the main leader, you know, and once the leader is destroyed, then his son will step forwards and that will be the rise of the Antichrist and then that will eventually be destroyed by God and Jesus will come and.

But many people will be deceived by the deceptions. And why? Because they’ve been doing it for 10,000 years or more.

They’re masters of deception, they’re not masters of spirituality, you know, and they, they don’t, I mean, look, right now there’s problems in the world and people are starting to go, you know, this one country that’s doing all these bombings and they’re controlling the politics now, everyone’s pointing their fingers in certain ways, but that’s, it’s still just puppets and players.

The whole problem is on higher dimensions and it’s this Satanic, you know, that’s why you, down here you’ve got these death cults running the show as secret societies that have been around and changed their name for thousands of years and they all worship things like Baphomet and Satan. And why? Because Baphomet and Satan and the Antichrist and Pan and the leader and a whole host others names I’m not going to give but I know are real and sometimes they incarnate down here. And you know, Adolf Hitler’s a good example, but you’d be surprised who Adolf Hitler was in a previous incarnation because sometimes they present themselves as benevolent and good, so you always have to pay attention to their message. And most of the time what they’re doing if they present themselves as benevolent and good is promoting hedonism and trying to dismiss Jesus as anything other than maybe a prophet or promoting an alternative to Jesus. It’s interesting, you know so many things.

I’m going to digress slightly, but when you look at for example the Freemasons and you get to the 33rd level, you’re asked to spit on the Bible. And if you can, you can go higher and if you can’t, you’ll never go any further. It’s because above that they openly are Satanic.

You know, they’re not spitting on any other religious book, only the one that represents Jesus. What does that tell you about who’s really important or who really opposes what is wrong? But again, I digress.

Try and keep it on track.

So the restrainer is the leader and he’s not the Only one, but he’s the main one. There’s about five of them in a clique, and the Antichrist is his son.

And they’re not human, but they can incarnate and therefore would look human if they were down here. And that’s pretty much what the plan is. So down here we’re all kind of getting obsessed about bloodlines and stuff, but they could pop into anyone.

You know, they just need a vessel.

So it’s kind of almost fruitless at this stage trying to identify who the Antichrist is down here. And that’s the other thing. Just talking candidly. So up there you encounter these bad things.

You could say, well, why, you know, who are you, Mark? How is it you’ve encountered them? Well, I’m enlightened. One thing everywhere. So where are they going to hide?

So first they’ll present themselves as good until you spend enough time interacting with them. And then the cracks start to show and then they come out and try and attack you and then realize they can’t. Because if you’re a human being, God brought humans close to God. God created humans and God to conform as a human being. We are different.

And they want us to believe that we are dirt, useless, lower or equal to the animals. In truth, the they’re the animals and we are their superiors.

And I’m going to get to why that’s significant.

So I’ve kind of gone a little bit off piece, but I just wanted the point, the goal, I’m trying to say is, yeah, these are known.

They’re not mysterious things. They’re just despots on higher dimensions are manipulating things down here through their lackeys and their puppets down here, be they governments, organizations, individuals, corporations or other things at the very highest echelons of all of these secret societies and stuff. They know who they worship. And all of them worship something that’s satanic and dark. And that’s how the work gets done down here. And that’s how it’s, you know, phrased in the Bible that unrighteousness and deception prevail at this time.

But it’s not all doom and gloom.

Okay, so we’ve done thought exercise.

Let’s just wrap it up spiritually because it isn’t doom and gloom. It’s actually what you’re going to learn tonight is going to really hopefully empower you.

So let’s. Let’s lay it out on the table. So what we’re learning is that creation is subject to the plans of darkness and evil.

The restrainer decides what Gets done.

Yeah, Right.

We’ve got free will.

These dark agents are not gods, okay? The Antichrist, Satan, they’re not gods. The Restrainer, not a God. They like to be. They like to pretend that they are. In Greek mythology and Roman mythology, the numerous gods, maybe that’s just describing these characters who present themselves as gods, the things that come down and present themselves to Ezekiel as gods. Maybe that’s just one of these despots trying to impress a human being through fear and awe, you know?

But God will intervene to remove the Restrainer. So is that an act of God? And we did a whole episode on acts of God. So I’ll just simply point at that, because could it be an act of God, or could it be that humanity or some humans will be inspired or empowered perhaps to stand up and oppose?

We, humanity need to be wiser because of deception. If you take nothing else away from this, just understand that even in biblical times, they were telling you plain and simple, deception rules. Wake up, check in.

We need to be wiser because of deception.

Right?

This is what I found out the hard way.

And, you know, I channeled that book and interacted with certain things, and I’ve hinted at, even in the Stonehenge documentary, I said, I no longer have anything to do with them. Okay? So that was just a bad, painful learning exercise. But basically, most deception floats because it is twisted truth.

You’ve got a truth radar. As a good, spiritual human being, you’ve got your spirit, and it’s trying to point you in the direction of truth. So the greatest deceptions are the ones that I say about 80% true, but the nuance of that 20% is what will steer you in the wrong direction.

You know, if I wanted you to fail in your journey somewhere, okay, And I, you know, you came to me and said, I need a car.

I need to make a long journey. I need to make it down to Sicily.

And I said, all right, well, here’s a car, you know, secondhand, but it’s good. It’s had an oil change. That’s true.

Had the clutch done. That’s true.

And, you know, everything’s working.

That’s true. But I might know something’s wrong with that car. It might have, I don’t know, like a dodgy gearbox or something like that. And I know it will run for 500 miles, but it’s likely to break down before you make it to the end of your journey.

And you ask me things like, has it all been changed? I say, yeah.

Are the tires good? Yeah. So you ask questions. And I don’t lie. I tell you, yeah, those things have been done, these things. But I don’t tell you that I think it’s going to blow up.

So by omission, I’m deceiving you, but by your ignorance of trusting.

This is a metaphor. But if I’m a dodgy car salesperson or I’m trying to sabotage your life journey or whatever by not asking enough questions or being too trusting or thinking that because you’re good, everyone you talk to is good, then you might not be wise enough to ask all the relevant questions, like, look point blank, is there anything actually wrong with this vehicle that you’re aware of? That would be a better question to ask.

You know, and so sometimes you can deceive through a mission, but the other thing might be to say, yeah, this car’s.

The oil’s been done, it’s got an mot. This has been done, this has been changed.

Everything’s good.

Well, the last, last bit was the lie. Everything’s good. All the other stuff’s true. But because I’ve got, you know, because I’m showing you the receipts for the oil change and the new tires and stuff, because some of it’s true, we tend to buy it all as true. And that’s how deception works. And it’s a subtlety. And that’s why it took me a while to figure out that the information I was getting originally, back in the day, when I was interacting with things like the spiritual hierarchy and certain beings and stuff, the, oh, well, it all sounds truthful right up to the point when you start going, what about Jesus? What about God? You don’t need to worry about that. I know we take care of all the light. Oh, no, no. You know, that’s just, you know, and then they start putting up barriers to greater truth.

So sometimes it’s just telling lies, but sandwiched between truths, sometimes it’s just omitting to tell stuff, and sometimes it’s trying to redirect attention.

Like, another good one is spiritual people being encouraged to look into technology.

Like, technology could somehow be spiritual, and there’s all kinds of that going on.

So we need to be wiser because most deception is based on truth. It’s a twisted truth. And so we really need to tweak our truth radar, which means have more love for God, a desire for the. For the truth. And spirituality is a state, not an intellectual pursuit. So where I’m talking about tweaking the truth radar, I’m not talking about necessarily becoming an intellectual giant where you can get into the ring with anyone and find flaws in what they’re saying. Because I can tell you now, everything that is spoken is flawed. There’s no such thing as perfect language. There’s no such thing as perfectly conveying truth. So even if I’m trying to convey the truth, it will be flawed in the sense that you can’t really convey it through words or books or writing.

If the truth is that there is one thing everywhere and that is God, then you have to realize it through either enlightenment or opening your heart to God and letting God in and realizing through experience what that means.

That then becomes the truth that you.

That cannot be shaken, that cannot be challenged, because it’s actually experiential rather than belief.

So spirituality is a state, not an intellectual pursuit. And I’m not talking about meditative spirituality. I’m talking about spirituality, your love for God. So truth is present.

We accept lies when we are in our ego.

Let that sink in for a moment. Truth is present.

We accept lies when we are in our ego.

Remember there was this line in the Bible and it said something like the seat. The.

It wasn’t quite the right word. It will come. The gullibility of the people is because of their unrighteousness or words that affect. And it was basically saying unrighteousness or wrongdoing means you’re coming from your ego and therefore you’re easily deceived. The deceivability of someone is because they are in their ego. And it goes back to that thing about not having your truth, not being aligned with your spirit, and therefore not being aligned with God and therefore not being able to be guided. That’s not true.

But truth is always present. So if someone is very accepting of lies, in other words, they just mop it up. Then it’s because it suits them, because the lies are more aligned with ego than they are with God.

Krishna revealed God’s state. Jesus showed the way to God as God.

Let’s just sit on that for a moment. So Jesus. So Krishna revealed God state.

Rather, what I should have written there is God’s state was revealed to Krishna and Krishna communicated it to Arjuna. And the Bhagavad Gita was written.

Jesus showed the way to God as God.

So whereas Krishna was kind of having an experience of God’s state and gained that state through a process known as enlightenment, Jesus is God didn’t have to sit down and attain enlightenment. And therefore he came as God to show the way to God. In other words, lead to set the example, this is how to walk the way. Whereas Krishna said, Krishna was there more to say, wow, God’s amazing. The truth of what God is is absolutely amazing. And Jesus said, and this is how you get there.

So it is not necessary to be initiated or enlightened.

And that’s massive. Look guys, I used to be a spiritual meditation teacher whose purpose was to initiate and guide people to enlightenment and something I have done.

So for me to sit here as an enlightened person and a spiritual light and sound meditation teacher who many years of experience and say it’s not necessary to be initiated or enlightened, spirituality is a state. You ready? I’m talking to you as a spiritual human being, one to one.

If you have a spirit, you can be spiritual. You just have to choose truth, God and Jesus. And I’m not talking religion here.

On the website it says God does not belong to religion. Religion came along after Jesus. Council of Nicaea, do your homework. Basically, how can the Roman Empire take control of Christianity and subvert it? That’s what that side of things is. And even the well intentioned stuff.

Jesus wasn’t religious.

You know, he was born into a religious culture and so he knew the scriptures and stuff like that. But he wasn’t there to teach that. He was there to show the way, reveal the way. That’s why his teachings are called the way.

Okay?

So it’s not necessary to be initiated or enlightened. If you want to be spiritual, walk the way.

Welcome Jesus into your life. Welcome God into your life. Make truth your priority.

Get out of your head and go to your heart.

Spirituality is orientation towards love of God. Okay, there we go. That sums it up. So if you want to be spiritual, orientate towards love of God wherever you’re at right now. And again, check in right now if you want. It’s entirely up to you. Just acknowledge or be aware of. What love do you have for God or the Source or that which is one thing everywhere. If you struggle with the G word, you know you’re a good human being. Do you know a better one than Jesus? Forget about the religious stuff. Forget about all the stuff that perhaps has been put there to turn you off to that truth.

Have you ever heard of a better person?

So what love do you have for Jesus?

It’s a good starting point. Just to be honest with yourself about that.

There’s no judgment. Remember, we’re checking in. Checking.

Let me explain that a little bit.

You exist, right?

You’re watching this or you’re hearing me?

You Exist.

And imagine if you dedicate the rest of your life to doing good.

And then in 2000 years time, someone goes, that guy never existed.

Or he didn’t really do good, he had an ulterior motive, or it’s all made up stories, it’s all nonsense.

And someone goes, no, but we’ve got these diaries that were written and other people wrote letters and we’ve got this video footage of this person doing these things and they did amazing good things.

Oh, no, we’ll just dismiss all the evidence because it doesn’t suit us, doesn’t suit our selfishness or our desires or anything. We don’t want to acknowledge that someone was better than us or good. In other words, put yourself in the shoes of Jesus for a moment as just a historical figure.

Would 2000 years take away the truth of who you were?

Okay, just think about it.

There’s, there’s. I can’t remember the exact figure. I think it’s 27,800 or something. And growing documents and scrolls and pieces of historical evidence that unequivocally prove that Jesus existed and that corroborate vast amounts of what he did and not notwithstanding the 300 prophecies that came before. So there’s a body of evidence that this person existed and was good. Okay.

It’s just worth reflecting on it and kind of running the clock forward 2,000 years and saying, how would it be if it was applied to you and someone tried to deny that you existed simply because they didn’t like the reflection of themselves when compared? Maybe, maybe they’re just giving themselves a hard time. But anyway, again, I digress. But spirituality is orientation towards love of God, which means also Jesus who is God, because you can’t really separate them out. God and Jesus, one and the same.

If anything, God and Jesus is what the Hindus try and ascribe to Krishna. They try and ascribe Krishna as being that which is one thing everywhere and the person of God. And why do they do that? It’s a distraction away from the truth. And Krishna would be the first to say, no, no, no, don’t look at me, look at Jesus.

I’m just. Krishna was. I’m just a man who was blessed with the grace of God to realize enlightenment. Jesus is God. So Jesus is the person of God and is God that which is one thing everywhere beyond, you know, the great formlessness.

But that particular belief system tries to attribute that to Krishna because if people worship Krishna, they’re not worshiping God.

Okay, so really summarizing it then Good and bad exist.

You choose.

It’s that simple. You choose.

If you choose good, which means God, Jesus, truth, you persist.

If you choose bad, deception, ego, you perish. Now the you that we’re talking about here is your higher self. That’s what’s at stake.

You get to the end of this life being really bad and deceiving people and being in ego. And you might have three Ferraris, five mansions, billion pounds in the bank and rule three countries, but you’re an empty shell.

What was good in you would have been taken away. And depending on how much damage you did to it, may have had to have been destroyed.

It’s spiritual warfare, but it’s based. The war is over. Your choices, nothing more. And because of that, darkness and evil are powerless. There is only one power, there is only one source.

What do I mean? Darkness and evil are powerless.

Okay, we started this whole chat talking about the Restrainer and the pervasion of deception and wrongdoing. Okay?

If this leader, the Restrainer and his cronies were actually powerful, then they wouldn’t need to deceive us.

They wouldn’t need to deceive us.

They could just click their metaphoric fingers and have their way.

No, we will take away humanity’s free will. No, we will destroy humanity.

No, no, we will do as we please.

But look, here we are, humanity. Thousands and thousands and thousands of years under their caution. Here we are and we’re still talking about God, the thing that they try and keep us away from.

And we’re still have the opportunity to talk about Jesus, the thing that even to, you know, to this day, they’re trying to criminalize and demonize and obfuscate and keep us away from, but it’s like the truth just keeps coming out. So they are powerless.

And it’s demonstrated by the fact that the only that their weapon is one of deception. Why?

Because you have choice, you have free will.

So the only thing they can really do is try and deceive you so that you buy their lies and give up on Jesus and God and therefore give up on what makes you human and what made you, and give up on your soul and your spirit and fall. And then you will perish.

So the war is over. Your choice. They have no real power.

They simply need your collusion with their deceptions. Oh yes, okay, look, you say what? What, Mark? What if. What if they control an army and the army knocks on my door and they shoot me? Well, then you die. Get over it. It’s just one life.

What you really Are your soul, your spirit, your, you know, all the other bits. I won’t go into it, but all the other stuff that isn’t the physical body will survive, will come back, as you’ve done many, many times.

But if you sit yourself in fear and you worry about what if an army comes or what if I get locked up in prison, or what if I refuse this and then they force it on me and I die, or, you know, jabs or whatever.

Well, fear is a seat of ego. It means that you’re putting the survival of your physical body above the survival of your spiritual body.

You’re putting a thing that’s only meant to last 84 years in front of the thing that’s already been around for 60,000 plus years and could be around a lot longer. Because what was Jesus saying? That I am the life, if you believe me. In other words, if you put truth first and you escape the cycle of this constant incarnation because you raise yourself up and become a good, truly a spiritually awake person, then you don’t need to come back. And then you can live an eternal life away from all of this as you’re meant to be.

So darkness and evil are powerless. They simply use deception to get you to choose the wrong things so that you perish, you know, because the you that matters is the bigger you.

So some pretty big stuff, but I want to end on a positive note.

In fact, I think it’s all been positive. Look, all I’m doing is demystifying these bogeymen and simmering it down to some fundamental things, which means you are in control because it’s based on your choice. But what’s on the screen? Now, I don’t expect you to read, but I just want to show you. I got this long email which is great.

Right at the start they said, hi, Mark, Please feel free to edit, remove, rearrange the content of my email and share with you on your live show if you would like to. And then they give me a whole load of feedback. And this was because I on my mailing list, which you can sign up to for free, I asked a question about kind of what do people find useful and stuff. And this was ages ago. And then I got this reply today or yesterday, can’t remember, but in the last few days, probably yesterday I think it was.

So I just wanted to cherry pick a few of the points they made to share and again, check in, check in with where you are right now.

You see, I had to check in when I got that email. I had to make sure. And they said, feel free to share this. And I had to be neutral enough to say, look, I feel little Mark sitting here, feels a bit shy or embarrassed about sharing nice feedback.

And then I’m like, hang on a sec, is that actually form of ego?

Are we being coy? Is that the wrong stance? So I got neutral, I checked in and I became stiller. And I’m like, no. Someone has taken the time to share their insights and their feedback about the show and the work that you do, Mark. And the work that I do doesn’t come from me. When I’m doing good work, it comes through me.

And because it comes through me, I’m simply vehicle, a vessel if you like, like a pen that writes stuff on paper.

I’m just the pen who’s doing the writing or what’s doing the writing is the greater good, that which comes through me, the state of enlightenment.

And so if I get all coy and go, I don’t know if I should share that, then I’m not sitting in neutrality. Neutrality is one person would like to communicate with other people about good stuff, get out of the way. And so I got out of the way and I got neutral. And I’ll do the same now because I will. I would like to share with you some of the points that this person wanted to share with you.

So the live shows content had huge value and is interesting.

How you present is user friendly and super helpful. With grass videos and take homes.

The range of subjects include many surprises and unexpected revelations.

Everything from how to move closer to God, Jesus teachings, the burden of proof existence of God and Jesus. We are more than our physical bodies. Being spiritual has nothing to do with religion, how to be more spiritual, Stonehenge, the pyramids, spiritual warfare and all things quantum. I’ve crossed out the word all because I haven’t really covered all things quantum but I know what they mean that it has come up a few times every week. And by the way, I cross that out because truth matters. So I don’t want to misrepresent that we have covered all things quantum, but the feedback is valued.

Every week I find support and inspiration on my spiritual journey towards God and it also informs me on subjects that I would not have previously had access to or potentially been on my radar.

Practical tools to take personal responsibility and check in on where we are spiritually, to make good choices and for taking care of ourselves.

And then they put your teachings challenge, inspire.

Sorry. Your teachings challenge, inspire positive growth and encourage critical thinking. I’ve crossed out your for that very reason that I’m here to serve you and to serve, hopefully a higher, the highest good.

And therefore it’s not really my teachings. It’s just I put in the time to let it come through. Okay, so credit where it’s due. Thank you God. Thank you Jesus. Type thing.

Things I have found interesting and supportive 1. The practical spiritual guidance plus exercises we can participate in.

2. The question on how to be without doing but still needing to do in order to be. And that was a really good episode. I’ll see if I can find a link to that.
3. Making the choice that has the most value in our spiritual journey. Demonstrating spiritual wisdom.
4. Awareness of words and their impact on us, both positively or negatively.
5. The correlation between our spiritual well being and our physical well being.
6. Spiritual warfare is not what many might expect.

Profound and empowering. Thank you Mark, for all that you do. God bless you. With love, Marigold. 0 and I know Marigold’s in the chat, so thank you, Marigold.

Now what I’ll do is in the, in the podcast version of this, I will read the whole thing out. So that’s going to be a bonus. You can get in the podcast version, the audio version of this show. But I just wanted to share that and by all means listen again or play it back and see which of the things kind of you relate to in terms of having been useful, having been helpful and maybe they’ve missed stuff out or there’s things that you found helpful, please put it in the comments or let me know. But this is actually the end of the show now and it’s as it seems to be that we’re hitting 90 minutes, but it is what it needs to be. And we’ve touched some, touched on some really, I think some big topics, but it always comes back to it’s about your free will and your choices. And look, the.

The Antichrist and Satan and the devil and all of these characters are just lying and deceiving because they have no real power and they don’t want you to know that. So they want to appear all powerful and stick their chests out and act all big and scary.

And when I first encountered them, yeah, I thought they were big and scary.

But we’re human.

God’s behind us.

They have no power. You have choice. And their power, if they have any, is convincing you that either you don’t have a choice or convincing you to make the wrong choice. And that often involves convincing you that God and Jesus aren’t real or aren’t who they say they are.

So on that note, I just want to say thank you for giving your time. Thank you for those that have asked questions and if you’ve got any spiritual questions and it doesn’t have to be this kind of stuff, it can be anything, then do get in touch and for now check in and see if you can keep that state so that we can continue to make good choices. Good being the operative word, choices that bring us closer to God, choices aligned with our spirit.

And I’ll see you next week. And by the way, I’ll also, if you want, see you on Sunday because I’ve got a new show called Time with Books, but that’s another story.

So for now, God bless and I’ll see you next week.

[01:34:38] Thank you for being awesome and joining me for this episode. I’m truly grateful. As a spiritual person, I hope it’s inspiring to realize that you’re not alone and that more and more like minded people just like you are enjoying this live show. This means that you’re part of a growing and awakening community and together we’re all finding the way back to God. Going deeper than just ideas and beliefs to experience firsthand real spiritual awakening. This is a journey of the heart, not the head.

So take this moment to just become a little bit stiller, more present, more neutral.

Now notice what you notice when I ask you this question.

What in this particular episode has been most useful?

Now who in your life at this particular time would benefit the most from knowing this too? Maybe it’s one person, or maybe it’s more than one. But because sharing is caring, it’s really nice to know that you can actually share this show with them and therefore help them.

This show is completely free to enjoy and benefit from. Now, speaking of free stuff, if you’d like other useful, helpful spiritual resources, then head on over to the wayback group.org there you’ll find all kinds of free free resources. Articles, eBooks, MP3s, guided meditations, and a whole load of other stuff that’s completely free and waiting for you to discover it. So that’s all for this episode, but your journey and my journey continues.

And so I look forward to having you join me next week for more revelation and exploration into spiritual things. And together let’s make more sense of life, not just for us, but for our loved ones so that we can help them too.

So remember to subscribe and hit the notifications so that you don’t miss out.

Who knows what we’ll be discussing next week and the next question or topic might even be yours. Perhaps there’s a reason you’ve been guided to this show.

So God bless you. And remember, real change starts when we put into practice what we’re learning so that we go from thinking and doing to finally being.

So take what you’ve learned today and keep on being the best version of you.

God bless.

And as promised, I’m now going to read the entire email that was sent to me and was referenced in this live show.

Hi Mark Note Please feel free to edit. Remove rearrange the content of my email and share it on your live show if you would like to I’ve had the privilege of watching every one of your live shows to date and the content of each one has always had huge value and interest for me.

You present your present your shows in an articulate and user friendly way. The graphs, videos, take homes you provide.

[01:38:24] Are also super helpful.

[01:38:26] The recaps you also provide are great for continuity in picking up from the previous live shows. The range of subjects you have covered so far really is phenomenal and often include many surprises and unexpected revelations.

The shows have covered everything from how to move closer to God, Jesus teachings, burden of proof, the existence of God and Jesus as well as we are more than our physical bodies. Being spiritual has nothing to do with religion, how to be more spiritual, Stonehenge, the pyramids, spiritual warfare, and all things quantum.

Every week I find something in your show that supports and inspires me on my spiritual journey towards God and also in informs me on subjects that I would not have previously had access to or potentially been on my radar, so to speak.

You provide the practical tools that enable us to take personal responsibility and check in on where we are spiritually and to make good choices that bring us closer to God.

The same applies for taking care of ourselves physically and holistically.

Your life shows and your teachings challenge, inspire positive growth and encourage critical thinking. There are so many to choose from, but just a few of the things I have found interesting and supportive one. The practical spiritual guidance you are including more of in season two in relation to our spiritual journey towards God, plus more exercises we can participate in which really resonate, for example being more humble.

[01:40:03] 2. The question raised by another watcher of your show, the paradox of how to be without doing but still needing to do in order to be your guidance on that was really interesting and supportive.

[01:40:17] 3. The understanding of how two things can be true at the same time, but choosing the one that has the most value in supporting our spiritual journey rather than being distracted demonstrating spiritual wisdom.

[01:40:32] 4. The importance of the words we choose to use and the impact they can have when we use them positively or negatively.

5. The correlation between our spiritual well being and our physical well being.

[01:40:48] 6. Spiritual warfare.

[01:40:50] The revelation that the war is not between what many might expect, but is actually between our spirit and our ego. I found that profound and empowering.

I particularly enjoy waiting for the Thursday.

[01:41:04] Reveal to see what will be coming.

[01:41:06] Up on the show. It is always on point and relevant.

I would love to know from others who watch your show what interests them.

[01:41:16] What has helped them, and what they.

[01:41:18] Would like to see included for future shows. Thank you Mark for all that you do. God bless you. With love, Marigold0.